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Old Jun 27, 2019 | 08:34 AM
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Polarising BMW 7 Series grille was a calculated risk, design boss confirms




BMW said it expected a massive backlash to its dominating, graceless 7 Series grille long before it brought it to market.

Admitting he had “noticed” and “been hurt” by the criticism of the enormous grille – which has sparked countless memes on the internet and social media – BMW design chief Adrian van Hooydonk says he understands why both buyers and the design community had been shocked.

“It’s more a 7 Series discussion than anything else and the backlash is more or less the same as we expected,” the Dutch designer said.

“The X7 was launched at the same time and that’s why it’s thrown into that discussion, but the X7 grille is proportional to the size of the vehicle.

“All the cars in that segment are typically quite big.”

In his defence, van Hooydonk insisted the car struck an awkward note because of the original design brief and because of different customer priorities around the world.

The flagship limousine launched this year with most discussions surrounding its grille rather than any technical innovations it might have had.

“The briefing we got was to make sure people understood the difference [between the 7 and the 5 Series] and notice it.

“When we launched the car [the 7 Series] it was quite smaller. The feedback we got on that was that people couldn’t see enough difference to the predecessor.

“On the 7, I understand that people can be shocked. I notice the criticism. I think in a way it’s inevitable. My objective is to do something that everybody likes but it’s not always possible.”

The strongest criticism of the car came from Europe, which, though important, isn’t among the top two biggest markets for the big limousine.

“The 7 has always been the hardest to bring the expectations of the entire world into one shape. The customers are very, very different in China, the US, the Middle East and in Europe,” he said.

“In Europe people don’t want to get noticed. They don’t like being asked what they paid for a car and they like things in black like a stealth mode.

“The rest of the world is the opposite. We tried to give the Europeans what they want as well but the strongest market for the 7 is not Europe.”

He also explained that this confrontational style of design might not be necessary anymore, though not through any new processes or ideas at BMW.

“For the next generation 7 our job will become slightly easier. It’s usually only in the 7 that these tastes are diverging so much.

“But the customer profiles will be less different in five or 10 years. People’s tastes are converging.”

But the beleaguered BMW design boss has had the last laugh on the 7 Series. It’s selling far better than the pre-facelift model did.

“The production has ramped up since the facelift. They’re very happy people at the factory because we’re producing more cars now than before the facelift.”
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Looks like a Buick.
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Old Jun 27, 2019 | 09:05 AM
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The new grills on recent BMWs is horrific. It just looks so out of whack and disproportionate. Kinda makes the predator Lexus grill seem almost elegant.
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Do not like. Smaller headlights and giant grill is not a good look.
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Old Jun 27, 2019 | 09:50 AM
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I blame Lexus.
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^^^ lol.

critics criticize but seems buyers are ok with it, or maybe like it being 'controversial'.
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Big grills are just the norm now. Toyota, Lexus, Aston Martin, Ford, Genesis, Hyundai, Audi all do them. BMW and Acura are both on the rise



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Old Jun 27, 2019 | 10:07 AM
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It's hideous,

China should not be dictating what types of cars/styles everyone else gets. Put a ugly big grill for the Chinese market version and do a smaller more attractive grill for other markets. It would look so much better if they did smaller thin headlights and a small thin twin kidney grill.
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Originally Posted by hoovey2411
big grills are just the norm now. Toyota, lexus, aston martin, ford, genesis, hyundai, audi all do them. Bmw and acura are both on the rise



Lol
hahahahahha

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As I have said before, that grille combined with the headlights looks like a miserable expression
But if you search & look back at the old BMW models of the 60s and 70s, the entire front end is all grill, so this is hardly the biggest grill they have had ...

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Aside from not being able to afford a 7-Series, that lone feature would cause me not to even consider the car. I don't mind the oversized grill on the new X7 and updated X5, but it's just too big here.

I understand the comparisons to Audi, Genesis, etc., but those large grills expand down to the bottom of the bumper; I don't find those offensive like here. Looks like a design element out of a villain's car in a DC comic.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
^^^ lol.

critics criticize but seems buyers are ok with it, or maybe like it being 'controversial'.
Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Big grills are just the norm now. Toyota, Lexus, Aston Martin, Ford, Genesis, Hyundai, Audi all do them. BMW and Acura are both on the rise

And we will all grow used to this grille also. I remember back when Audi first came out with its Singleframe grille. Everybody criticized it, claiming that it would be the death of Audi, yet that did not happen did it? The large Audi grille was so successful that it was copied by Hyundai.
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And we will all grow used to this grille also. I remember back when Audi first came out with its Singleframe grille. Everybody criticized it, claiming that it would be the death of Audi, yet that did not happen did it? The large Audi grille was so successful that it was copied by Hyundai.
Yup, people get over it, and they'll wish for these days again, when the grill gets even bigger on future models. Circle of life
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