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Old 06-04-19, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411 View Post
Weren't the Town Car AND the DTS both discontinued for 2011? If so BOTH were the 'last true American luxury sedans'. Silly thread

Yes, both bit the dust in 2011...the DTS in May, and the Town Car in August. So, the TC was technically the last remaining one...but only by an inconsequential factor of only a few months.

Also, unlike Cadillac, Lincoln corrupted the name of the Town Car by later using it on limo-spec versions of the (IMO) awkward and ugly MKT SUV.

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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411 View Post
Weren't the Town Car AND the DTS both discontinued for 2011? If so BOTH were the 'last true American luxury sedans'. Silly thread
Maybe Doug is using the TC RWD designation as the differentiation.
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Maybe Doug is using the TC RWD designation as the differentiation.
That thought did cross my mind before I commented, but regardless the DTS was a full size luxurious sedan
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I preferred the Town Car's RWD setup to the DTS, The Devilles of that era didn't ride all that great either.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411 View Post
Weren't the Town Car AND the DTS both discontinued for 2011? If so BOTH were the 'last true American luxury sedans'. Silly thread
an FF layout car can't be a 'true' luxury sedan
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Originally Posted by AJT123 View Post
Back years ago I raced a Police Interceptor, my buddy was off duty and we used a closed, isolated road (that's all I'm gonna say lol) to do a few 0-80 runs.

This was back when I drove an Infiniti I35 which was quick but not a truly fast car.

He got left in the dust. Keep in mind my said 255hp Infiniti did 0-60 in about 7 seconds flat, and also was saddled with a 4spd automatic with mediocre gearing at best.
the CVPI is comically slow, even without the extra weight of police equipment and extra air drag the sirens on top create

having a long geared 4 speed also really hurts it, 2nd goes up to about 85 and 1st is done at like 45, so when you step on it at 40 you have like another 25 mph to climb before the crappy engine is making decent power again

if you guys did like a 60-120 run it would've been closer
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Originally Posted by Stroock639 View Post
an FF layout car can't be a 'true' luxury sedan
traditional luxury sedan’s are RWD. FWD sedans can still be luxury sedans.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411 View Post
traditional luxury sedan’s are RWD. FWD sedans can still be luxury sedans.
it can still be a luxury sedan but not a 'true' luxury sedan lol

truthfully the town car would probably benefit from fwd since its buyers will never exploit the benefits of rwd, and rear passengers would have more room
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People might have forgotten the Lincoln Town Car's history. It was a trim for the Continental and then got its own brand name. JFK's adminstration used the Town Car and so did adminstrations of the 1960s and 1970s. It eventually got its "ole foggies" rep because, that's who loved these and drove them around at glacial speeds on freeways and neighborhood senior's dances.

And fun trivia: In the Seinfeld episode "The Limo", it's a late 80s "square" Lincoln Town Car that the characters end up in. It's a stretch version so there's even more room in the back as Costanaza and Jerry figure out what kind of shennigans they got themselves into as they manuever a way to get to a Chicago Bulls game.

And of course, Larry David, the co-creator of Seinfeld, did Curb Your Enthusiam - a hilarious single cam sitcom about his buffoonery. In the episode titled "Shaq", he ends up tripping Shaquille O' Neal at a LA Lakers championship game. The resulting furor drives away Larry's visiting in laws who quickly escape by tossing their bags into none other than a Mercury Grande Marquis which his father in law owns, as they flee his driveway.
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Originally Posted by Stroock639 View Post
truthfully the town car would probably benefit from fwd since its buyers will never exploit the benefits of rwd, and rear passengers would have more room

The RWD and frame-rail construction, though are two factors that contributed to its durability. Though it is not unusual to see FWD sedans from Toyota and Honda go the kind of miles you can out on a RWD Crown Vic or Town Car, it IS rare from FWD sedans of American design.
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And of course, Larry David, the co-creator of Seinfeld, did Curb Your Enthusiam - a hilarious single cam sitcom about his buffoonery. In the episode titled "Shaq", he ends up tripping Shaquille O' Neal at a LA Lakers championship game. The resulting furor drives away Larry's visiting in laws who quickly escape by tossing their bags into none other than a Mercury Grande Marquis which his father in law owns, as they flee his driveway.
great episode and show lol... it's prettayyyyy good
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Originally Posted by Stroock639 View Post
the CVPI is comically slow, even without the extra weight of police equipment and extra air drag the sirens on top create

having a long geared 4 speed also really hurts it, 2nd goes up to about 85 and 1st is done at like 45, so when you step on it at 40 you have like another 25 mph to climb before the crappy engine is making decent power again

if you guys did like a 60-120 run it would've been closer
Probably, like I said that I35 had terrible gearing. It did get right up and go off the line, though. That 3.5VQ was a gem before Nissan put too much power in it and ruined the legendary smoothness it had.

About the final DTS, I always liked it, even though it was based on a FWD LaCrosse platform. By then they finally had the Northstar ironed out.
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About the final DTS, I always liked it, even though it was based on a FWD LaCrosse platform. By then they finally had the Northstar ironed out.
No. The DTS was based on the larger FWD Lucerne platform. At that time, the Lacrosse was still a mid-sized platform. It did not become full-sized until 2017.
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No. The DTS was based on the larger FWD Lucerne platform. At that time, the Lacrosse was still a mid-sized platform. It did not become full-sized until 2017.
Ah, gotcha. Nice catch. Not that there's anything wrong with a FWD GM platform, but you can tell a difference in dynamics with a RWD car. My mother's Buick Enclave (not really germane to this discussion at all) you can seriously tell it's being pulled rather than pushed. I much prefer a RWD setup.
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