The Lincoln Town Car Was the Last True American Luxury Sedan
06-01-19, 12:13 PM
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The Lincoln Town Car Was the Last True American Luxury Sedan
A little healthy dose of Doug Demuro today. IMO this was one of his better videos.
Favorite Line, “every luxury sedan today has to be a sports car, blah blah blah”
Favorite Line, “every luxury sedan today has to be a sports car, blah blah blah”
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06-01-19, 12:25 PM
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As dated, horrible and obsolete as the Town Car was at the time. I think I would take this Town Car over the better LS of that era. There is something cool about its old fashionedness. Like old people stuff. Body on frame 
Sometimes stupidity is fun.
Sometimes stupidity is fun.
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06-01-19, 01:13 PM
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You'd seriously take a BOF 20+ year old Ford Crown Vic platform over a 2011 LS460?
06-01-19, 01:17 PM
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06-01-19, 02:06 PM
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Doug's correct on two things which ruined the traditional luxury-sedan business as we knew it. First, the idea that luxury cars had to handle/steer/respond like sports cars, which in many cases ruined the ride-quality and set the vehicles up for a lot of wheel/tire damage, on rough roads, from low-profile tires. Second, the obsession with marketing to younger people, when, in most cases, it's the people over 50, nearing retirement, who have been earning and saving money all their lives, that have the most money to spend on new cars, not those in their 20s and 30s. I've posted a whole book about this, here on Car Chat LOL, so I'm not going to dwell on it a lot more here.
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06-01-19, 02:29 PM
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Older folks also slow down on the car buying compared to what they did when they were younger. Most people, once they hit retirement, their income lowers, spending changes. You are right.
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06-01-19, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Yes, this is 100% correct.
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I would think most of the profit comes in the F&I office which the more mature buyers like myself don't use.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Older folks also slow down on the car buying compared to what they did when they were younger. Most people, once they hit retirement, their income lowers, spending changes. You are right.
That's why I said that the people that typically have the most to spend are generally just before retirement, not actually in retirement. They are usually the ones, not the people in their 20s and 30s, that are the biggest potential cash cows for dealerships.
As far as older people slowing down their buying rate after retirement, though, you would also be surprised at the number of seniors who lease, and get a new vehicle every 2-3 years or so. That frees them from the hassles of ownership, repairs on aging vehicles, breakdowns, putting used cars on the market, trade-in, haggling, dangers from strangers doing test-drives, etc......
06-01-19, 03:55 PM
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I don't think there was anything luxury about the Town Car. It was a lousy BOF vehicle, that squeaked and rattled and felt like it was going to fall apart after 10k miles. Its floaty suspension made passengers sea sick. Its interior materials and craftsmanship was horrible. The giant soft seats were designed by someone clearly not familiar with the term "ergonomic".
It was popular amongst limo service due to its large interior and cheap price compared to German LWB sedans.
It was popular amongst limo service due to its large interior and cheap price compared to German LWB sedans.
06-01-19, 03:57 PM
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I don't think there was anything luxury about the Town Car. It was a lousy BOF vehicle, that squeaked and rattled and felt like it was going to fall apart after 10k miles. Its floaty suspension made passengers sea sick. Its interior materials and craftsmanship was horrible. The giant soft seats were designed by someone clearly not familiar with the term "ergonomic".
It was popular amongst limo service due to its large interior and cheap price compared to German LWB sedans.
It was popular amongst limo service due to its large interior and cheap price compared to German LWB sedans.
06-01-19, 04:00 PM
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It was popular amongst limo service due to its large interior and cheap price compared to German LWB sedans.
06-01-19, 05:13 PM
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Back in 2005, the Lexus 430 was much more of a luxury car than the Town Car. Although it was a bit smaller, it had a fantastic interior with real wood, soft leather, and even ventilated seats. The ride was just as smooth without all the floaty feeling of the Lincoln, and the Lexus was much quieter. There was certainly no attempt to make the LS430 drive like a sports car.
06-01-19, 05:22 PM
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Back in 2005, the Lexus 430 was much more of a luxury car than the Town Car. Although it was a bit smaller, it had a fantastic interior with real wood, soft leather, and even ventilated seats. The ride was just as smooth without all the floaty feeling of the Lincoln, and the Lexus was much quieter. There was certainly no attempt to make the LS430 drive like a sports car.
06-01-19, 05:38 PM
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06-01-19, 06:21 PM
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2005 LS430 was probably the best car Lexus ever built, lol. Not hating on you, just pointing that out. I have respect for the Panther cars, but any LS is 40 steps above one.