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Old May 27, 2019 | 11:51 PM
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BMW's entry-level 1 Series, originally unveiled 15 years ago at the 2004 Paris Motor Show, has now undergone a paradigm shift as it enters its third generation. From now on, the 1 Series cars will feature a transversely mounted engine and front-wheel-drive.

The shock of BMW going FWD has been softened by earlier UKL2 platform cars taking after BMW's MINI offerings in recent years, and the X1, X2 and the 2-series MPVs have already shared the MINI DNA for quite some time. Still, this latest 1 Series introduction can be considered a watershed moment as the vehicle takes a step towards the modern school of hatchback design while the new 2 Series coupes align more with the M3 and M4.

BMW mentions packaging benefits as one reason behind the front-wheel-drive layout, with its family hatch doing the re-orientation most competing hatchback offerings did in the early 1980s. The new car is only available in five-door configuration. It's a touch shorter than the outgoing model, and the wheelbase has also shrunk. Still, the rear passengers now reap the benefits of the FWD structure and get an additional 1.3 inches of leg room as a result. But FWD isn't the only drivetrain option for the new 1 Series: there's also BMW's xDrive all-wheel-drive for some models.

Along with three diesel powerplants ranging from 114 to 188 horsepower, the new 1 Series is offered with two gasoline engines. The more humble of those, the 118i, has a three-cylinder 1.5-liter turbo that provides 140 hp and 162 lb-ft, and takes 8.5 seconds to hit 62 mph. Then there's the 302-horsepower M135i xDrive, which is able to do the same acceleration run in just 4.8 seconds. BMW says the M Performance package is able to shave a tenth of a second off that achievement. Manual gearboxes are only available for the more basic cars, while there are both seven- and eight-speed Steptronics available in the higher end. The M135i xDrive comes standard with the eight-speed Steptronic Sport box.

Speaking of M Performance, BMW is already discussing forthcoming sport packages. There's carbon fiber aero, large sports brakes with four-piston calipers up front, M Performance themed wheels and much more.

U.S. availability for the new 1 Series looks unlikely, but the X2 crossover already offers much of the same, just in a taller package – including the aforementioned 306-horsepower engine. We should see this new 1 Series make its official debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September.
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Looks ok, but I'm guessing the M135i xDrive with run in the high 50s, which is unacceptable in my book.








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Courtesy of ads of brands

Will this decade-old ad come back to haunt BMW?
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Old May 28, 2019 | 01:35 PM
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Will this decade-old ad come back to haunt BMW?
I don't think it will come back to haunt BMW. It is a different time and era. If BMW wants to grow, they need to make cheaper alternatives in the lower price point. Same with MB which they are already doing.
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Originally Posted by bagwell
Looks ok, but I'm guessing the M135i xDrive with run in the high 50s, which is unacceptable in my book.
It's unacceptable in my book for anything called M#35i to have a transverse-mounted four-banger.
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Courtesy of ads of brands

Will this decade-old ad come back to haunt BMW?
Unfortunately most buyers have no clue about FWD vs RWD as long as it has AWD! Lol

BMW went mainstream to chase sales volume. At least the real M cars are still only RWD based platforms.
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Originally Posted by bagwell
Looks ok, but I'm guessing the M135i xDrive with run in the high 50s, which is unacceptable in my book.
True, that's a stiff price for a car that size, but no M model from BMW comes cheap. Neither do AMG models from Mercedes. It is a simple fact of life.
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This car is going to be Europe only, in the US you can get the larger X1/X2 that are based on the same Mini platform. X2 m35i starts at 46k, and a very well equipped one is 50k.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
True, that's a stiff price for a car that size, but no M model from BMW comes cheap. Neither do AMG models from Mercedes. It is a simple fact of life.
M135i is not an M model, nor is any car in the M###i nomenclature. It's just marketing spin for the high trim level. M models have a single number.

M240i is not an M car, the M2 is.
M550i Xdrive is not an M car, the M5 is.

This is just like Mercedes AMG-Sport not being actual AMG models (two numbers instead of three), or Lexus F-Sport not being F cars (no numbers at all, vs. 3).
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Originally Posted by geko29
M135i is not an M model, nor is any car in the M###i nomenclature. It's just marketing spin for the high trim level. M models have a single number.
Are you referring to the M-Sport versions? Granted, they are not full-M versions (they usually lack the M powerplants)...still, they themselves can also have relatively stiff prices.
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If the CT lived on to another generation, that's what it would look like. Soft and weak, commuter car presence- not a business case for luxury car buyers of America.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Are you referring to the M-Sport versions? Granted, they are not full-M versions (they usually lack the M powerplants)...still, they themselves can also have relatively stiff prices.
That's essentially what they are, though M-sport is actually an option package. We are talking about the M135i. Which a few years ago, would have just been called the 135i. Just like one year, the 235i became the M235i without any substantive changes. Neither of them is the M2, which is a truly sport-focused car, in keeping with the M tradition.
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Originally Posted by geko29
That's essentially what they are, though M-sport is actually an option package. We are talking about the M135i. Which a few years ago, would have just been called the 135i. Just like one year, the 235i became the M235i without any substantive changes. Neither of them is the M2, which is a truly sport-focused car, in keeping with the M tradition.
There was neven a 235i, when BMW introduced the 2 series they had two models - 228i and m235i, which then became 230i and m240i after a refresh.
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Originally Posted by Och
There was neven a 235i, when BMW introduced the 2 series they had two models - 228i and m235i, which then became 230i and m240i after a refresh.
Thanks for the correction. For some reason I thought there was, but it looks like they made a clean shift between generations, with the E82/88 135i transitioning to the F22/23 M235i. The base point is still the same, these are not M cars.
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Interior look nice on this 1-Series

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