I think he's talking about the Hyundai Genesis that became the Genesis G80 in MY2016. When the Tau 5.0 V8 was introduced for MY2011, it was available exclusively in the RWD-only R-Spec model. The 4.6L V8 that was available the first two model years (2009-2010) was also RWD-only. The AWD V8 option was added when they switched branding.

 

If I was going to pick up a current G80, the Sport model with the 3.3TT is the only engine I would consider. The 3.8 isn't strong enough, and the V8, while I am sure wonderful, isn't enough of a step up to justify additional cost (for me). The 3.3TT is an awesome engine. I wish I could drop it in my GS.

 

It's a $2,000 upcharge, roughly. Yeah I think it makes sense to make the V8 more expensive, but it's also not like the engine is the only change... The Ultimate is also more luxury-oriented, whereas the Sport is... more sporty? I haven't driven it, so don't know what that means in practice.

 

I was talking the difference between the 3.8 and the V8, vast majority of G80's sold have the 3.8 because it costs so much less then the 3.3t and V8. If the V8 was not such a big premium over the 3.8 it would sell better, same with the 3.3t but I have read lease deals are much better with the 3.3t compared to the V8.
G80
3.8 RWD starts off around 42K
5.0 RWD starts off around 57K that is a 15K premium just to get the V8, of course V8 won't sell when it carries a premium like that.

3.8 AWD stars off around 44.5
5.0 AWD starts off around 59.5 again around 15K just for the V8.

3.3t RWD starts at 55250
3.3t AWD starts at 57750, not a huge premium difference between the V8 but the lease deals are likely much different, still the 3.8 is the biggest seller or at least the one I see most on the road.

The prices for the 3.3t and V8 are very close, makes it a no brainer to me to just get the better equipped V8 if you are buying but I have heard the lease deals for the 3.3t especially with the G90 are much less/better then the V8 G90.

I would be interested in how tunable the 3.3t is and if the aftermarket has done anything with it to get more power.

 

I agree, the availability of a V8 is what set Genesis apart and the G80/G90 apart from several lux cars these days, I think they still should keep it or develop a new one and get the premiums down for the 8 cylinder and turbo 6.

 

How can you get the premium down from $1,700?

The 3.8 is the base engine, and yes there's a sizable premium between that and the V8, but you also get big equipment bumps there too.

People just don't care about the V8 anymore. Having driven the 3.3T and the V8 back to back, the 3.3T feels faster and just as refined.

 

Given the choice of a N/A V8 or turbo V6, I'd still rather have the V8 because of less-complexity, less potential stress on the engine, and less potential for failures or repairs. But, in most cases, I really don't need either....a N/A V6, like the one in my Lacrosse, is just fine for me. I do agree with Steve's comment, though, that today's turbo V6s often not only outperform N/A V8s, but are sometimes just as refined.

 

You are not reading what I am saying, I said get the premium down for both the 3.3t and V8. " I think they still should keep it or develop a new one and get the premiums down for the 8 cylinder and turbo 6."

Most of the G80's I see on the road are 3.8's, I don't see many 3.3t's or V8's because the premium for those engines is way too high, over 10K premium or both engines. In the G90 case this would not apply since the 3.8 is not the base engine.

I have a bad feeling what they may do with the new G80 if going by current trends and what they may be hinting, give it a crappy 4 cyl base, make the 3.3t the top engine with no real power bump, replace most of the buttons and switches with a annoying touchscreen setup, and raise the price which could result in sales plummeting and them possibly abandoning a sedan and just focusing mostly on SUV's.

 

The engine premium is not nearly as high as you think. The base car with the 3.8 starts at just over $42,000 but adding the equipment that is standard with the TT 3.3 and the V-8 brings the price to $53,000. That makes the premium for the 3.3 TT engine $2250. The V-8 is another $2000 above that. I doubt that Genesis has much incentive to reduce the equipment levels on the higher powered models. The base 3.8 is there for the bargain shoppers.

 

I am reading what you're saying, I just dont agree with you. The 3.8 is not considerably cheaper than the 3.3T or the 5.0 because of the engine. its the base car and has much less equipment, if you option the 3.8 up similarly to where the 3.3T and 5.0 are the delta is much smaller. The 3.3T and the 5.0 are much more similar in equipment, and the higher sales f the 3.3T relative to the 5.0 tells you consumers aren't buying into the V8.

Look at the G90, the 5.0 gets you the V8 AND more equipment for $1,800 and what few you do see are almost always 3.3Ts.

 

With a lot of premium cars if you opt for the top of the line engine the car will also come with more standard features that are optional on the one with base engine. By the time you equip the base model with all the feature, their price difference becomes almost negligible.

 

That only counts if the buyer really wants those extra features, if a buyer just wants the 3.3t or 5.0 and does not care about all the extra features that come with them then they are still have to pay over 10K to get the bigger/better engine, there is no way around it. That is why the 3.3t and 5.0 don't sell very well and many buyers end up just going with the 3.8 or smaller engines despite likely wanting more power. I mainly see just 3.8's on the road, today I saw 4 G80's and noticed they were all 3.8's, paid a little more attention because we are talking about it. If they took the premium down by not including some features for the 3.3 and 5.0 so someone who just wants the bigger engine can get it for a much more reasonable amount they would likely sell much better, this is not just for Genesis but for other makers too, the premium they charged for 8 cylinders during the last decade or so was just way too high which is why many buyers skipped them, yes you got more stuff in them but the premium was still seen as way too high to justify stepping up the bigger engine even though I am sure many buyers would have liked to. I don't think it is that people don't want V8's or higher powered 6 cylinders why they aren't too big of sellers, it is buyers just don't want to pay the premium to get them.

What is the difference in lease deals between the 3.3 and 5.0 G90, I have read the lease deals and discounts are much better on the 3.3t compared to the V8 G90 which likely makes the price difference people pay/get offered a good deal larger then the basic $1800 difference between the two. That maybe part of the reason so many are choosing the 3.3 over the 5.0, much better lease deal plus better discounts on the 3.3 means they are saving much more then the $1800 original difference.

 

The current lease offers on the Genesis dealers website show that with $5000 down, a 36 mo lease is $619 for a 3.3 TT Sport and $689 for the 5.0 Ultimate. Not a huge difference.

 

On the contrary, a $2500 cost difference on a leases where the two cars differ in MSRP by $1800 is VERY significant. Since the residual on the G80 is an appalling 52%, this means there's effectively a $4900 cap cost difference between the two, or more than 2.5x what the difference in sticker price would suggest.

 

Side note, I am pretty sure I've never seen a 3.3T on the road. I've seen a 5.0 once or twice. They're not common at all. At my office, there are only a couple 3.8s I have seen around.