Hoovey689

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Twin-turbo 3.3-liter V6 becomes the top engine

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mmarshall

I've driven 3.8L-equipped Hyundai Genesis and Genesis G80 models, both with and without the AWD. IMO, the N/A 3.8, much less the twin turbo, has enough power for most sensible driving...but then, again I am not a speed demon. Still, I don't see where it really needs the 5.0L, though I have sampled the 5.0L RWD (the 5.0 is not available with AWD), and it is a borderline muscle-car....its response is roughly equal to the base 383 Plymouth Road Runners I grew up with in high school.

A G80, BTW, could (?) very well be my next car, if the Lacrosse and Impala both disappear from the U.S. market and don't come back. I'm quite impressed with its build quality, though it can't quite equal the Lacrosse's ride.

UDel

That is a shame, another good V8 bites the dust for no real reason leaving less options for buyers, it kind of takes away some of the specialness from Genesis and the G80 now to me, I am not even that interested in the new one if it is just doing the 6 cylinder only thing or worse adding 4 cylinders like so many other cars in that segment. A 8 cylinder G80 and G90 are still big contenders for what car I want to get next, will only be able to get them used now.

It sounds like a BS excuse to talk about legislation, I have not heard of any markets saying they are going to ban V8's, some markets have displacement taxes but that would mean a 3.5 or 3.8l V6 would be hit with those taxes and possibly more then a new 4.0 turbo charged V8.

mmarshall

I understand where you are coming from, but maybe the car just doesn't need it. I haven't seen the latest hard numbers, but the last I heard, the 3.8 handily outsells the 5.0. And the 5.0 was never available with the AWD.

UDel

No car needs a V8, nobody needs a V8, that is not the point, it is the experience you get with it that some enjoy and want. No car needs a 12 cylinder or even a 6 cylinder for that matter but they still offer experiences that can't be replicated with smaller engines.

I miss my V8 from my GS430 even though the 6 cylinder in my GS350 makes more power and is a little quicker. If there is one thing I could switch into my GS350 that would my GS close to perfect it would be a 8 cylinder, doesn't have to be the GS-F 8 cylinder, just something around 380-400hp.

The 3.8 in the G80 is decent but it feels a bit under powered especially with the G80's hefty weight, I can't imagine how terrible a 4 cylinder would be in a G80. The 3.8 outsold the 8 cylinder because the 8 cylinder was such a enormous premium over the 3.8, it was all about price/cost, not what was the better, smoother, more enjoyable engine.

JDR76

I just hope they address the weight on the new G80. The current AWD model is something like 600-700 lbs more than my GS!

LexBob2

Yeah the current G80 is a lot heavier than most, if not all, of its competition and its fuel efficiency lags behind them too. They really need to address these two big issues. I guess the new gen is due before long.

Toys4RJill

I agree. It is the experience one gets. I have a V8 in my 4Runner, it was a one generation thing that came with a full time 4WD. Makes it a bit special and the experience can’t be done with the newer models.

As for Genesis, their sales are not doing very well. They should have a V8. Currently the G90 has a V8 while the LS does not, I never would of thought this would ever be the case

arentz07

When I rented a G80 for a week through Turo, it was getting between 19 and 20 MPG while tooling around Atlanta. It's getting better mileage than my IS 300 AWD lol. I think that's pretty respectable considering it's naturally-aspirated and still makes over 400 horsepower.

Hoovey689

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It most certainly is available with HTRAC (AWD)

sivikvtec

Exactly this....except I had a 400

mmarshall

Yep, you're right....I didn't word my last comment correctly. When I first drove one, though, AWD was restricted to the 3.8L. They were hesitant to release the 5.0 AWD model in the U.S. because of gas-mileage requirements. Apparently they have managed to overcome the effect.

Kind of water over the dam, though, at this point, if they are going to drop the 5.0L completely.

Toys4RJill

AWD was available for both the V6 and V8 at launch. Do you recall just a RWD model?

oldcajun

I have driven the G90 with both the TT V-6 and the V-8. There is virtually no reason the choose the V-8 option. The TT V-6 actually has better mid range acceleration and doesn't require downshifts as often. The engine isolation is so good that there is really no difference is noise or smoothness. I realize that the G80 isolation is not as good as the G90, but I doubt that most people will miss the V-8 option. The Kia K900 is now available in the US with only the TT V-6. On these low volume cars, it makes sense to simplify the inventory.

mmarshall

No. Not in the U.S. Look at the chart that Hoovey posted. Before 2016, the V8 was RWD only, because of concerns with U.S.-spec CAFE requirements. Now, of course, before the Genesis brand-name was launched, technically, the G80 was a Hyundai....the Genesis.



Agreed. The 5.0, particularly with RWD, did make it feel like a muscle-car from my youth, but that was way more power than most people would want (or need) for most normal driving. IMO, even the N/A 3.8 is adequate.