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Old 04-11-19, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670 View Post
Exactly. You don't know how to respond because you are too stuck on history.
Incorrect. I did not respond because, IMO, what Jill said did not make sense. Many Pacifica owners, despite reliability problems, are quite happy with them. Steve himself (who started the thread) said he still likes his Pacifica, even if reliability problems prevent another Chrysler purchase. I still like the Lacrosse, even though I've had a couple of issues with mine.

Lexus didn't build the first luxury car, but....

Well, OK, then.....since you want to bring up Lexus, then lets take them as an example. Lexus started out building what were arguably the most reliable luxury vehicles on the planet. 30 years later, despite some cheapening in their interiors and design, Lexus still builds what are the arguably the most reliable luxury vehicles on the planet. So, yes, history often is a guide.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
Two things. First, the ever-growing SUV craze, and second, the minivan-stigma that you can (primarily) thank the auto-press for. The more SUVs that are on the market, the more alternatives for people that know that a minivan is the best vehicle for them and their families, but simply don't want to be seen in one. It's called submitting to peer-pressure.
Or some of us donít care about peer pressure and just buy what we like, which just may be a crossover instead of a minivan.
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Or some of us donít care about peer pressure and just buy what we like, which just may be a crossover instead of a minivan.
Oh, I agree....I definitely agree. But, on Car Chat, many of us are not typical of millions of vehicle-buyers out there in the real world. Steve's owned at least two minivans that I can remember (Sedona and Pacifica) and, while shopping, considered two others (Odyssey and Sienna). Even with some complaints about each, he saw how efficient they are for the travel-needs of a family....he regularly goes to West Virginia.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
Incorrect. I did not respond because, IMO, what Jill said did not make sense. Many Pacifica owners, despite reliability problems, are quite happy with them. Steve himself (who started the thread) said he still likes his Pacifica, even if reliability problems prevent another Chrysler purchase. I still like the Lacrosse, even though I've had a couple of issues with mine.


Well, OK, then.....since you want to bring up Lexus, then lets take them as an example. Lexus started out building what were arguably the most reliable luxury vehicles on the planet. 30 years later, despite some cheapening in their interiors and design, Lexus still builds what are the arguably the most reliable luxury vehicles on the planet. So, yes, history often is a guide.
History of quality vs history of first. Not the same. At all.
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History of quality vs history of first. Not the same. At all.
Sometimes it is the same. Not always.
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Old 04-12-19, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
Sometimes it is the same. Not always.
But what you are not seeing is that only one is relevant. If Chrysler consistently put out cars that are as reliable as Toyota, then, yes, Chrysler would have the history of making the first minivan and also a reliable product. But, again, 99.9% of consumers would only care about the reliability part of the equation.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
Yes, but one problem, back then, was using K-car transmissions in the larger, heavier minivans. We all know what that led to LOL.
Oh yeah, I was a child then but remember seeing blue smoke from the Chrysler minivans like clockwork after a few years.
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Oh yeah, I was a child then but remember seeing blue smoke from the Chrysler minivans like clockwork after a few years.
Blue smoke, though, is usually an oil-burning issue in the engine, not transmission. Of course, load up the original Voyagers/Caravans with the standard 2.2L Chrysler-built four, which, in the original form, didn't even manage 100 HP, and, yes, the engine could be overtaxed.

As I recall, there was a larger 2.6L Mitsubishi-derived four as an option, but it, too, could be overtaxed...and it was known for reliability issues.

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Originally Posted by tex2670 View Post
But what you are not seeing is that only one is relevant. If Chrysler consistently put out cars that are as reliable as Toyota, then, yes, Chrysler would have the history of making the first minivan and also a reliable product. But, again, 99.9% of consumers would only care about the reliability part of the equation.
I agree with this ^^^. People do not care that Chrysler invented the minivan in the USA. Most people care about value and reliability. The Pacifica and Grand Caravan combined, outsell the Sienna 2-1 I believe, but where Toyota is cashing in is on the price of their Sienna, its starts at about $4500 more than either of the FCA vans. Odyssey is about $4000 more. People, would not buy the FCA vans if they were priced at the same MSRP as the Toyota or Honda, a $4500 lower starting price allows people to put aside their reliability concerns for Chrysler and take the chance on a lower performing model. The fact that Chrysler invented the van, will have influence on consumers purchases.
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I agree with this ^^^. People do not care that Chrysler invented the minivan in the USA. Most people care about value and reliability.
Just like how motorola invented the first cell phone (did they with the brick?)

When I got my '11sienna se for about $34k, I couldn't believe how the price crept up over the years back then.
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When I got my '11sienna se for about $34k, I couldn't believe how the price crept up over the years back then.
Yes, the prices have crept up. People in the US have failed to notice how the dollar does not get you as much as it once did. What were your options in 2011 ?
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Blue smoke, though, is usually an oil-burning issue in the engine, not transmission. Of course, load up the original Voyagers/Caravans with the standard 2.2L Chrysler-built four, which, in the original form, didn't even manage 100 HP, and, yes, the engine could be overtaxed.

As I recall, there was a larger 2.6L Mitsubishi-derived four as an option, but it, too, could be overtaxed...and it was known for reliability issues.
Yeah, my bad, I realized you didn't mention engines in your OP, just transmissions.

Everyone hated the GM vans but I liked them, we had a '94 Olds Silhouette....I swear that thing with the 3800 would blow everything in its class away, even some cars.
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Yeah, my bad, I realized you didn't mention engines in your OP, just transmissions.
The Chrysler minivans weren't necessarily known for bad engines, although, as I pointed out from their small size, those engines could be overtaxed. Transmissions, though...there were problems with them for years, particularly the 4-speed Ultradrive. Some of the problems, though, were caused by the bozos at Jiffy Lube putting in the wrong fluids instead of what Chrysler specified for those transmissions. Other problems were simply the use of lighter-duty passenger-car transmissions in heavier minivans....that was the designer's fault.

Everyone hated the GM vans but I liked them, we had a '94 Olds Silhouette....I swear that thing with the 3800 would blow everything in its class away, even some cars.
Ah, yes, the famous GM "Dustbusters". Yes, the 3800, particularly with the supercharger, was a reliable and potent power plant. But one thing that helped with the acceleration in those vans was that those controversially-styled body panels were made of thermoplastic, like on the Saturn cars of that period. That, of course, helped reduce vehicle weight...in addition to being rust/corrosion-proof and dent-resistant. It was odd, though, to sit in the front seats of those minivans and look out over an enormous dash-panel, in front of you, that was the size of a golf course LOL.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
The Chrysler minivans weren't necessarily known for bad engines, although, as I pointed out from their small size, those engines could be overtaxed. Transmissions, though...there were problems with them for years, particularly the 4-speed Ultradrive. Some of the problems, though, were caused by the bozos at Jiffy Lube putting in the wrong fluids instead of what Chrysler specified for those transmissions. Other problems were simply the use of lighter-duty passenger-car transmissions in heavier minivans....that was the designer's fault.
Interesting. I specifically remember like clockwork once they became a little older, there was blue smoke coming from them. I was a child then, FWIW. I'm referring to the first gen.

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Ah, yes, the famous GM "Dustbusters". Yes, the 3800, particularly with the supercharger, was a reliable and potent power plant. But one thing that helped with the acceleration in those vans was that those controversially-styled body panels were made of thermoplastic, like on the Saturn cars of that period. That, of course, helped reduce vehicle weight...in addition to being rust/corrosion-proof and dent-resistant. It was odd, though, to sit in the front seats of those minivans and look out over an enormous dash-panel, in front of you, that was the size of a golf course LOL.
Ah yes, perhaps I'm being nostalgic, but I loved that thing. The dash was enormous, so was the windscreen. It had leather and the first power sliding door available in a minivan. And the pickup it had, good lord. If you goosed it too hard accidentally from a standstill you'd lay a foot of rubber. Once on the way to school a cop pulled my mother over and he literally was like "Lady, what kind of engine is in this thing-- I could barely catch you." Then I got blamed for it, bahaha. 3800 was a great engine, if they brought it back updated I'd buy a car with it in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by GS3Tek View Post
Just like how motorola invented the first cell phone (did they with the brick?)

When I got my '11sienna se for about $34k, I couldn't believe how the price crept up over the years back then.
Exactly. And just like 12 years ago, the BlackBerry was THE smartphone. Now, it's been left behind. No one says "I don't want that iPhone or Android because BlackBerry really created this market."
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