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#46
Lexus Fanatic
How would you know you would not enjoy an ES or Avalon every morning?
#47
Lexus Fanatic
I read your previous post, it was good. I don’t think it matters if its better or not to a lot of people. The Sienna, Odyssey and Pacifica are all very competitive within one another. What could the OP possibly do better with a Pacifica that he could not do with a Sienna? The OP has a number of complaint threads about the Pacifica, that is very telling. The Sienna starts about $5K more than the Pacifica I think, so that a major factor IMO. I have always thought Toyota and Lexus products are mid pack performers, not #1 , but reliable and value come into a question and Toyota seems to do well at this. If it were me, I would trade the Pacifica for a Sienna and keep the Sienna for the long haul, it seemed to work for my brother who kept his first Sienna 11 years, now on his second, I guess they plan to keep it at least 10 years, so that is two vehicles, paid in full, for 21 years. To me, that is value.
#48
Lexus Fanatic
We're getting somewhat off-topic, though (me included). This is actually Steve's thread on his own satisfaction with the Pacifica.
Last edited by mmarshall; 04-09-19 at 08:41 PM.
#49
Lexus Champion
With all due respect, I don't think you quite grasp the point here. With buyers like that, the issue is not trying to necessarily one-up the competition or Keep up with the Jones's, but to have something they personally enjoy, and can look forward to driving each morning. I, for example, like driving big Buicks, even if they are not as reliable as a Lexus ES or Toyota Avalon. And, almost half a century ago, when I was in college, I liked driving.....well, big Buicks.
#50
Lexus Fanatic
So if the Pacifica is so great and class leading. Why is nobody buying them?
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/co...130519039.html
FCA reported U.S. Pacifica sales for March fell 35 per cent year-over-year. In Canada, March sales plunged 66 per cent versus the same month last year.
#51
Lexus Fanatic
Two things. First, the ever-growing SUV craze, and second, the minivan-stigma that you can (primarily) thank the auto-press for. The more SUVs that are on the market, the more alternatives for people that know that a minivan is the best vehicle for them and their families, but simply don't want to be seen in one. It's called submitting to peer-pressure.
#52
Lexus Fanatic
Two things. First, the ever-growing SUV craze, and second, the minivan-stigma that you can (primarily) thank the auto-press for. The more SUVs that are on the market, the more alternatives for people that know that a minivan is the best vehicle for them and their families, but simply don't want to be seen in one. It's called submitting to peer-pressure.
#53
Lexus Fanatic
Well, I never said the Pacifica was the most reliable....FCA products, in general, do not have a good reputation in that area. But the Chrysler minivans have always been known for being innovative.....don't forget, they invented the entire minivan vehicle-segment in 1984, and it took the competition years to catch up.
#54
Lexus Fanatic
Well, I never said the Pacifica was the most reliable....FCA products, in general, do not have a good reputation in that area. But the Chrysler minivans have always been known for being innovative.....don't forget, they invented the entire minivan vehicle-segment in 1984, and it took the competition years to catch up.
#55
Lexus Fanatic
#56
Lexus Champion
The K-car is what saved Chrysler. Pretty innovative to make it into a practical minivan.
#57
Lexus Fanatic
So the they invented the segment in 1984, but now in 2019 they are losing sales year over year. Meaning what of their invention? Nothing. So Toyota and Honda who did not invent the segment, are holding their share where charging more for their models. I just don't see the point of talking about Chrysler in 1984.
So if Chrysler cars are garbage, how can the Pacifica be best in class?
So if Chrysler cars are garbage, how can the Pacifica be best in class?
#58
Lexus Champion
So the they invented the segment in 1984, but now in 2019 they are losing sales year over year. Meaning what of their invention? Nothing. So Toyota and Honda who did not invent the segment, are holding their share where charging more for their models. I just don't see the point of talking about Chrysler in 1984.
I never said Pacifica was best in class. It's probably the most appealing in class but I would never buy one over a Sienna or Odyssey. For the price of a loaded out minivan I'd put my wife in a 2 or 3 year old Denali Yukon, for that matter.
#59
Lexus Champion
Lexus didn't build the first luxury car, but....
Last edited by tex2670; 04-11-19 at 05:59 PM.
#60
Lexus Fanatic
but Chrysler invented the minivan, based off the K-Platform of all things.
BTW, the Dodge Grand Caravan is still available, brand-new, at a significantly lower price than the Pacifica, but it is based on an older platform, and is less-sophisticated.
https://www.dodge.com/grand-caravan.html
The K-car is what saved Chrysler. Pretty innovative to make it into a practical minivan.