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Old 02-09-19, 08:19 AM
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A 2.7-liter DOHC 4-cylinder gets 159 hp and 180 lb-ft of torque, while the 3.5-liter V6 is an option with its 278 hp and 265 lb-ft. Both come with a 6-speed automatic as standard, but the V6 can optionally be paired with a 6-speed manual.

believe thatís exactly the same as 2019.
I know. I was just responding to spwolf since he seems to know something.
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Old 02-09-19, 08:22 AM
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Correct. And that's where diesels excel, particularly at low RPM.
Well the Tacoma has neither low end torque or enough torque for that matter
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Old 02-09-19, 08:37 AM
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Drive both the manual and auto versions back to back and you will see. The auto gets 1-2 mpg better, but feels much less powerful at lower RPMs. I think the autoís gearing and programming could be better. That V6 has plenty of power for the Tacoma.
Right. The manual will feel different, itís geared completely different than the V6í auto. The rear gearing is also different, it will feel faster. There is nothing wrong with the V6 set up, it was not tuned or designed to feel faster.
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Old 02-09-19, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JDR76 View Post
I’m fine with the V6 in the Tacoma. Where it is let down is in the 6 speed auto. Drive the V6 Tacoma in auto then manual form and it’s a completely different animal.
meanwhile the 19 Ranger rolls with a 10 speed auto trans.
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Old 02-09-19, 09:43 AM
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meanwhile the 19 Ranger rolls with a 10 speed auto trans.
Yup. Although Iím not a big fan of 10 speeds. I just think the Tacoma would really benefit from a better transmission.
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Old 02-09-19, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Torque is what is important in trucks. Funny how those will point out HP with trucks when they need to. For the record, I do not think the 3.5 engine they are using in the right choice.
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Right. The manual will feel different, itís geared completely different than the V6í auto. The rear gearing is also different, it will feel faster. There is nothing wrong with the V6 set up, it was not tuned or designed to feel faster.
I didnít say there was anything wrong with it. I just think that the current 6 speed doesnít allow this engine to be at its best. I think buyers in the segment would value better gearing and that it can be done without sacrificing efficiency.

Why did you want it ďon the recordĒ that the V6 is the wrong choice only now to say thereís nothing wrong with it? Iím getting confused by your position.
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Old 02-09-19, 10:46 AM
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I think buyers in the segment would value better gearing and that it can be done without sacrificing efficiency.
Obviously it would sacrifice efficiency, The 6 speed auto is geared along with the rear end to be more efficient. While the 6 manual feels faster, because the rear end and transmission gearing is set for that.
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Old 02-09-19, 10:50 AM
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Why did you want it “on the record” that the V6 is the wrong choice only now to say there’s nothing wrong with it? I’m getting confused by your position.
I said I am not sure if it is the right choice because the 4.0 engine they replaced offers the same performance. Whats the point of putting in the new GS350/Avalon engine when the 4.0 was just fine. Toyota should put a brand new, ground up engine in the Tacoma.

I imagine the new 2020 4Runner is going to have the Tacoma 3.5 set up.

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Old 02-09-19, 03:13 PM
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meanwhile the 19 Ranger rolls with a 10 speed auto trans.
That trans is way to new, to gauge reliability on it. More gears is always good, but only if it works properly in the long run, at least if your a Taco owner who wants something different.

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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill View Post
Torque is what is important in trucks. Funny how those will point out HP with trucks when they need to. For the record, I do not think the 3.5 engine they are using in the right choice.
What you seem to fail to understand is that HP and TQ are correlative. Physics dictates that.

Don't get it twisted (pardon the pun), HP is just as important as TQ in a truck, especially in a smaller truck like a Tacoma that isn't designed to tow much, if anything. Diesel's are different animal entirely. In the gasoline engine world, HP and TQ #'s are pretty consistently matched in N/A engines. If they aren't the same they are close.

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What you seem to fail to understand is that HP and TQ are correlative. Physics dictates that.
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Hahah. I understand quite well how HP and torque are related. People want to complain about the Tacoma engine and transmission performance, the issue is that Toyota has geared this model for fuel efficiency. Same thing with my mothers 4.0l 4Runner, the 09 4Runner was geared more for performance than her new 15 4.0l.

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