Neither do I. Any car produced on the same assembly line with the same chassis and the same drive train as the LS430 is just another version of the LS430. You can change the interior and sheet metal, but it's the same thing. Just a different flavor. Certainly not a different vehicle altogether.

 

Nobody is saying its not a vehicle thats derived from the Ford Explorer, we're just saying that isnt an issue in this case because the vehicle itself is so different.

 

It's an issue at $87,000, no matter how much they tweak it.

For the record, a $60k Explorer is a joke to me too. No way I'm dropping that kind of cash on a Ford Explorer. Way better options at that price point.

 

ok bob04 and sw17ls, agree to disagree that it's not ok or ok for a top of the line aviator to be 87k. let it go, no one else cares.

 

The Aviator does not "cost $87k" is the point. The absolute halo maxed out Explorer virtually no one will buy may be $87k, but most Aviators will sell between $60-70k. I would agree the car is not worth $87k.

This is why we don't get Lexus models as high spec available here as elsewhere in the world, because everybody goes to the totally loaded car and says "the car costs $X", and Lexus is afraid of that.

 

Read an article(forgot to save source) that Ford is having massive quality control problems with the new Explorer and Aviator. So much they won't release them to the dealers. They are being sent for repairs to another location. Sorry I don't have the source of this at the moment. I'm sure more will come out soon.

 

Might (?) even be disgruntled employees sabotaging the assembly line....or just taking a Don't-Give-a S*** attitude to their work. Unusual, but that has been known to happen. Right now, Ford, like GM, has a lot of employees with hostility against the company......and, since the UAW has not (yet) targeted Ford for a strike, this could (?) be their way of getting in their $.02.

I will state, though, that I did not see or note any major quality-control problems with either the new 2020 Explorer or Aviator that I recently did full-reviews on. The new Explorer, overall, did feel a little looser-built than the outgoing model, but that seemed more a result of simply lighter interior/exterior parts and things like less-solid door closings, thin sheet metal, etc.... With the Aviator, I noted, in the review, that the one I sampled also felt (slightly) less-solid than the tank-like pre-production model I saw last spring at the dealership....but then, nothing major by any means.

 

I think this is the source you want.


https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/16/...ontrol-issues/

 

There is also a recall involving a roll-over risk with the Explorer's tires and suspension.

(Gee......where have we heard that one before)

https://www.motor1.com/news/364223/f...ator-recalled/

 

I guess it won't pass the Moose test

 

This is just the kind of press Ford DOESN’T need.

My ‘06 Explorer was bought first year of that model and my ‘04 F150 was first year of that model and both were awesome so not saying it’s always the case of new model issues.

 

Your 2006 Explorer, fortunately, was built after the Firestone Wilderness tire/Explorer suspension fiasco. By then, Ford and Firestone had severed their 100-year-old business relationship, and the Explorer's entire front platform had been redesigned.

 

the article you posted has nothing to do with the tire, suspension, or rollovers. The vehicle maybe missing a cover that hides the parking brake release cord so you can release the parking brake in the event of no power. Without the cover someone may accidently pull the cord and disengage the parking brake so the vehicle will ROLL not ROLLOVER

 

I was being at least partly facetious, and injecting some humor. And, yes, you do have to read the article closely to note its true meaning.

 

you bring up the tire 'fiasco' every time i mention my 06 explorer when i believe that tire thing was a decade before that or more.