LOL, I don't understand why you resist the idea that people cross shop similar sized and priced 3 row crossovers with each other. Every manufacturer doesn't have their own market lol.

I'm shopping for one right now and I'm considering the Explorer, Palisade, Telluride, Atlas and Traverse. Very natural to do so, pricing and size and space are all very similar. Power is within 10 HP. Big plus for me for the Explorer is the RWD layout and I like the looks, but for the vehicle's purpose in my garage those arent the most important considerations.

Not considering the Highlander only because its too small inside. Big negative for the Explorer is the 4 cyl powertrain below the Platinum trim, which is too expensive.

 

I came across this information on US News & World Reports New Car Rankings. They categorize the Telluride, Palisade, Explorer, Highlander etc. in the same segment. It's interesting to see that based on the sources they use and reference they rank the Telluride and Palisade tied for #2 (behind the Santa Fe) and Highlander #16 and Explorer #17 in the segment.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...s/midsize-suvs

 

Of course. Its only logical.

My issue with their rankings is really there are two midsized SUV segments, 2 row and 3 row.

 

I guess you didn't see that it is listed "midsize" segment not "3-row segment" like others have been arguing forever.

 

Oh look, i guess you didn't see that many other segmentations delineate between 2-row and 3-row Midsize Utlility Vehicles....

ALG Residual Value Segments

 

KBB Comparison, 3 Row Crossovers...Palisade, Telluride, Pilot and what's there in the middle? Oh look...its the Explorer.

https://www.kbb.com/articles/compari...uv-comparison/

 

The Ford Expedition is ranked #1 in the 3 row SUV rankings ahead of #2 are the Hyundai and KIA models.

 

KBB also specifically lists out 3rd Row SUVs, as they know that a 3rd row is of high interest to many buyers.

https://www.kbb.com/suv/

 

To make it as clear as possible here is a screen shot of the example.

 

US News & World report bunches vehicles together in a strange way, they always have.

People don't cross shop the Expedition and the Palisade, the Expedition is much more expensive and a much larger vehicle. I'd love to have an Expedition but they are just way more than people I to spend.

You realize there is a 3 row crossover segment you're just being a contrarian.

 

Here's a build of an Explorer Limited optioned similarly to a Palisade Limited or a Traverse High Country, SEL Atlas, etc:




As you can see, Ford even puts their $2,800 in incentives right into the calculator, so MSRP is really meaningless on a Ford.

If you look at the pricing, its on the high end but similar to a High Country Palisade or loaded Atlas, more expensive than a loaded Highlander or Pilot, or certainly a Palisade or Telluride.

When you figure you can probably get ANOTHER $6k off of this on top of those incentives, its right in line understanding the Palisade and Highlander are likely MSRP or close to MSRP buys. Similar discounts come on Traverse, not as sure about Atlas.

I can buy this vehicle for $46-47k pretty easily.

 

This is a similarly optioned Expedition Limited. As you can see at $71k its totally on another level from any of the cars we're talking about, very unlikely to be cross shopped with a $47k Palisade

 

There was always just one midsize segment. There were 2-row and 3-row versions for many brands. Just like there was a 3-row Rav4 for a while Hyundai Santa Fe came to mind where there was the 2-row sport and the 3-row Santa Fe XL. The original HL was 2-row or 3-row. (heck, there is even a 2-row or 3-row 4Runner as well as Land Cruiser) I have said this many times to you before and whatever it is, you just will not acknowledge someone else's viewpoint. Toyota has made their HL the way it is on purpose, the demographic is somewhat different, the goal is to push those that truly want a huge 3rd row to the Sienna, 4Runner 3-row or Sequoia which Hyundai has nothing to offer. This allows Toyota to cater the HL to people want something a little different than just the hugest 3rd row. Ford has maxed out their Explorer to 7 seats and some have 6 seats only for the very same reason, they want to push buyers to the Expedition. I do not understand why you are so offended that someone else finds a smaller Highlander as appealing with a smaller 3rd row. So, I do not want moderators sending me PMs, so it is good-bye to you for now. Have a wonderful day

 

interesting. i would rate the 8 speed in my g90 as "perfect".

as for sizes and rows and categories, you guys are all splitting hairs and engaging in pointless round and round.

 

What's already suspect is Buick Enclave and Chevy Traverse are mid sized? lol