The Fastest SUVs On Sale
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I think you'll still see a V8 for the next generation. I can't see them dropping the V8 for a turbo six just yet. Would they utilize the Quadrifoglio powertrain? I dunno. We'll likely see a turbo 4 join the JGC line-up in base form, as well as typical diesel and V6 variants. Jeep and FCA had a great run with the Mercedes M-Class (W166) chassis that the current JGC is built on.
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They have long term loaners for those kinds of tests, but that is what Consumer Reports specializes in, not MotorTrend. You are critiquing an article on something that they didnt set out to address. First line of the article: “One of these otherworldly SUVs is about to land at our Best Driver’s Car competition.” Clearly, the article is about how the SUV drives.
For example, a magazine ranks the best tasting hamburgers in New York. Would you criticize them because they didn’t rank the burgers by nutritional value?
yes. clearly. 
thanks for the bait, but i'll pass. 'clearly' auto mag reporters review a ton of stuff and don't have to live with what they review so one must 'clearly' take their reviews with a grain of salt, plus the entertainment value. it's like top gear... plenty of entertainment, but not meaningful for people who actually put down their money to buy a car.
For example, a magazine ranks the best tasting hamburgers in New York. Would you criticize them because they didn’t rank the burgers by nutritional value?
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yes. clearly.
thanks for the bait, but i'll pass. 'clearly' auto mag reporters review a ton of stuff and don't have to live with what they review so one must 'clearly' take their reviews with a grain of salt, plus the entertainment value. it's like top gear... plenty of entertainment, but not meaningful for people who actually put down their money to buy a car.
You clearly are concerned with long term reliability and maintenance, not everyone else is. They are catering to the majority of the shoppers in this segment.
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I think bitkahuna has a valid point, but so do you. People who buy these cars want to enjoy them. There's a balance to be had here of being tons of fun because it's pushed to its limits when driven hard versus being so reliable that it's lame. I wouldn't want a car on either extreme, though I'd skew more toward the reliable side within a given segment. Even if it's a lease, I don't want it to be in the shop often if at all.
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I think bitkahuna has a valid point, but so do you. People who buy these cars want to enjoy them. There's a balance to be had here of being tons of fun because it's pushed to its limits when driven hard versus being so reliable that it's lame. I wouldn't want a car on either extreme, though I'd skew more toward the reliable side within a given segment. Even if it's a lease, I don't want it to be in the shop often if at all.
TXgearhead, i think you need to lighten up. motortrend is fine, car & driver is fine, as is road & track, alex on autos, doug demuro, etc. they all provide a combination of objective and subjective information and are to varying degrees, entertaining. as for consumer reports, i think they're worthless when it comes to cars, with bogus 'methodology' summarizing 'surveys' of subscribers who are paying to hear their made the right choice in buying some automotive appliance, but i digress.
and that right there is why i won't buy a shiny used car 'off-lease'. 
I treat my C43 like trash because I turn the car in at 50k miles.
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I think bitkahuna has a valid point, but so do you. People who buy these cars want to enjoy them. There's a balance to be had here of being tons of fun because it's pushed to its limits when driven hard versus being so reliable that it's lame. I wouldn't want a car on either extreme, though I'd skew more toward the reliable side within a given segment. Even if it's a lease, I don't want it to be in the shop often if at all.
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