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The range is puzzling given the battery capacity. Also what's the corporate look for Mercedes or is there one anymore? Say what you want about Lexus but you instantly know you are looking at a Lexus. Remove the badge and this car has no identity at all.
The Lexus badge hardly matters.
Could someone photo shop this pic as in a star wars theme it would look cool cheers.
The 279-mile range figure from Daimler has since been adopted by Mercedes-Benz as the correct estimate moving forward, with the latter telling The Verge that the 200-mile figure was “incorrect” and mistakenly scattered throughout the — no joke — 52-page press release and other assorted materials about the EQC.MERCEDES-BENZ’S ADJUSTED ESTIMATE IS PROBABLY OVERLY OPTIMISTICIn reality, though, the discrepancy is not as large as it seems, and the EQC will still likely wind up falling short of the range offered by the I-Pace and the Model X 75D. That’s because the 279-mile estimate is based on what’s known as the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC), a standard created in the 1980s that arrives at its conclusions through purely theoretical methods, one that the European Union calls “outdated.”
NEDC is actually in the process of being replaced by a new standard this month — one based on actual testing — called Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) that is supposed to be a bit more stringent. The United States Environmental Protection Agency performs its own testing to set range estimates for electric cars. The EPA’s range estimates have always tended to be lower than the NEDC and are considered to be closer to real-world performance.
If we look at the I-Pace as an example, Jaguar says the car has a WLTP range of 470 km (292 miles), and the company promoted an NEDC estimate of 500 km (310 miles) before its release. But the EPA says the I-Pace lasts about 240 miles, or 386 km, on a full charge. So even though Mercedes-Benz is now touting the 279-mile NEDC figure, the EQC’s real-world performance will likely be closer to the original estimate of “around 200 miles” that the company has labeled as “incorrect.”
MB is saying 279 instead of 200, but that's based on old standards. Looking at how the I-Pace tested, (240 vs. stated 310), this one is probably going to be closer to the 200
Well at least they have one EV in their line up ready for sale. Once Lexus brings in their own it will be two generations behind Germans unless Toyota has some breakthrough together with Mazda which I doubt. It will be Prius Prime all over again.
Interesting how many people are trying to find the brand(s) that will really hurt Tesla. And then MB comes out with a 200 mile range.... Model X will be just fine.
Im glad Alan posted that because I was wracking my brain as to why people were stating the 200 mile range number when I have seen auto reviewers state around 280. But it makes sense if the 200 number is with the new testing cycle. The Model X is going to get the same treatment and drop to low 200s as well then. They all have pretty much the same battery capacity so I dont see why there would be this drastic of a difference.
Some possible factors. The Tesla battery cells are better and they have better thermal management. Tesla has better motor efficiency and more effective regen. We'll see.
Conspiracy: Mercedes is releasing an EV with low-range, decent but not impressive performance, no extra trunk/front trunk, etc. because they have an entire business of selling traditional vehicles that they don't want to make obsolete and not worth buying. They have so many models it's ridiculous. This lets them stay up-to-date, with the trends and in the headlines without hurting their other cars. If any automaker was capable of making a game-changing EV to usher us into a new era of electric vehicles, it would be Mercedes, IMO.
Conspiracy: Mercedes is releasing an EV with low-range, decent but not impressive performance, no extra trunk/front trunk, etc. because they have an entire business of selling traditional vehicles that they don't want to make obsolete and not worth buying. They have so many models it's ridiculous. This lets them stay up-to-date, with the trends and in the headlines without hurting their other cars. If any automaker was capable of making a game-changing EV to usher us into a new era of electric vehicles, it would be Mercedes, IMO.
lol... thing is, it is simply not profitable to sell EVs right now, so they are trying to find ways to cut costs by using current platforms... Jag on the other hand built entirely new platform for theirs. Neither will acually outsell their own petrol vehicles since they are too expensive
Im glad Alan posted that because I was wracking my brain as to why people were stating the 200 mile range number when I have seen auto reviewers state around 280. But it makes sense if the 200 number is with the new testing cycle. The Model X is going to get the same treatment and drop to low 200s as well then. They all have pretty much the same battery capacity so I dont see why there would be this drastic of a difference.
The Tesla numbers on the X (238 on the 75, 295 on the 100D, 289 on the P100D) are EPA numbers so they should be fairly close to real life.
The Germans are using the outdated ratings to justify their range claims. EPA ratings are closer to real life range. Tesla advertises their EPA ratings
Interesting how many people are trying to find the brand(s) that will really hurt Tesla. And then MB comes out with a 200 mile range.... Model X will be just fine.
i'm sure tesla will continue to sell a few of the fumpy way overpriced x's with impractical doors.
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