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Old May 5, 2018 | 01:54 PM
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Sorry, but as appealing as these new Genesis models may appear, I would not dare step foot on a Hyundai dealership only to be greeted by some sales kid who just sold a Hyundai Accent to a subprime barrower. Not to mention the poor service departments. Luxury buyers in this class expect a Lexus-like dealership experience or something more inline with the German dealerships, and they should get more if expected to part with $50K-$80K in coin.

Call me a snob if you will but most buyers in this class will agree.
You dropped the ball Genesis! Your cars will forever be linked to low cost family sedans as long as they share the same dealerships and salesmen. I guess the Hyundai dealership owners threatened lawsuits so they go their way.
Genesis has been trying some sort of "Visit you at home" experience to keep you away from the Hyundai dealers. I don't think it has been going very well. The dealership experience is indeed important. The dealer at Square One in Toronto is in a shopping mall, you cannot test drive a new Genesis while there, you need to either go to Mississauga Hyundai or have a in home or office visit. I don't see it working with these multiple steps along the way.
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Lexus was excellence since day one..... Look at Hyundai's roots hahaha.

You can't erase history. How can they ever compare themselves to Lexus, let alone the more established German brands that offer anything from low $30's to products that cost over $200k.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 01:57 PM
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I agree I don't think they'll ever have the success they hope for, though I do believe they'll be around sort of how Acura and Infiniti are around. Granted they don't do stellar volume, but they do exist as viable options. They just don't have the luster and prestige that European brands have.
I think more along the lines of Lincoln. Acura is still perceived as a brand that is closer to Lexus and has always had the backing of Honda as their assurity.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 97-SC300
Lexus was excellence since day one..... Look at Hyundai's roots hahaha.

You can't erase history. How can they ever compare themselves to Lexus, let alone the more established German brands that offer anything from low $30's to products that cost over $200k.
Lexus has slipped somewhat but they are still overall pretty good. They are too big now (IMO) to give that 'personalized' experience like they once did now like they did when they first started. It's a great story though:


How a recall earned Lexus a top reputation

In this excerpt from their new book, Satisfaction: How Every Great Company Listens to the Voice of the Customer, Chris Denove and James D. Power IV, son of the founder of J.D. Power and Associates, detail how Lexus established itself as a leader in customer satisfaction among car buyers.

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The cars sold well initially, but a few months into the program the one thing happened that Lexus feared most, and that executives at competing car companies secretly dreamed: the cars began to experience a problem. We're not talking about a stuck-on-the-freeway type of problem, but just a little crack in the armor that Lexus knew could snowball into a deluge of bad press for a company trying to establish itself under the eye of a microscope. It seems that two customers in different parts of the country complained about a glitch in their cruise control.

Lexus faced a decision. After all, it was only two cars, and thankfully this particular cruise control glitch didn't pose a safety issue. It could quietly fix those two cars and wait to see whether others surfaced with similar problems. Or it could issue a recall and let the world know that Lexus engineers were human after all. To those we interviewed for this book, the decision was simple. Since Lexus was counting on its dealers to deliver a level of service head and shoulders above that of any other automotive brand, Lexus needed to take the high road and set an example, one that is still talked about among automotive insiders today.

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So, just a few months out of the gate, Lexus recalled every LS 400 it had sold. They made this decision knowing full well that competitors like Mercedes, BMW, and GM were just waiting for the company to stumble, ready to pounce on every miscue. They could almost hear the cheering from Stuttgart and Detroit at the misfortune of this early recall. They knew competitors would use the recall to proclaim that Japanese automakers need to learn their place, stick to selling small economy cars, and let the more established manufacturers cater to the world's automotive elite.

But remember, Lexus set out from the beginning to redefine the meaning of luxury. They realized that this recall provided them with an opportunity to really show the world that they were dealing with an entirely new kind of car company, a company that didn't just talk customer satisfaction, it lived it. So, when Lexus owners received their recall notices, they were in for a surprise. The notices not only included a detailed apology letter, but owners were advised that their dealer would come to their homes, pick up the car, and leave them a loaner car free of charge while the repair was made. Every car was returned to the owner washed, detailed, and with a full tank of gas.

There was even a gift sitting on the driver's seat as thanks for their patience.

And when a customer lived beyond the normal range of a Lexus dealership, the company's field personnel took it upon themselves to drive to the home, break out their tools, and fix the problem right there in the customer's own garage. In at least one case this meant getting on a plane and flying a technician to Alaska to fix a customer's car, because Lexus didn't yet have any dealers outside the continental United States.

For all practical purposes, we believe this recall marked the day that Lexus was truly born, and not the day it sold its first car. This is because the recall was the day that Lexus showed the world what it really meant to be customer-focused.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Lexus has slipped somewhat but they are still overall pretty good. They are too big now (IMO) to give that 'personalized' experience like they once did now like they did when they first started. It's a great story though:
I agree. A lot of brands change a bit over time. Lexus still does top the charts consistently.

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I think more along the lines of Lincoln. Acura is still perceived as a brand that is closer to Lexus and has always had the backing of Honda as their assurity.
That's a good one. Though I believe Lincoln is on the rebound. The Navigator and RWD based Aviator are two major reasons why. What they do with their sedans is anybody's guess.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
What they do with their sedans is anybody's guess.
Their sedans have flopped (nobody wants to admit it) and their SUVs live off their Ford truck and Ford SUV acceptance. If the F150 succeeds, then everything after it follows. That is just the way I see it.

Genesis needs or perhaps needed an out-of-the-box turn-key mega hit. A model that everyone in the luxury game would follow or notice.

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Old May 5, 2018 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Makes sense. With 5500 sales for the first 4 months of 2018, that does not warrant spending hundreds of millions on brick and mortar. Their 'GV' SUVs can't come soon enough. Even then, Genesis to me will be similar to Infiniti where they are always there but often overlooked. Benz and BMW will always be that 1 2 punch. Everyone else is fighting for 3rd or worse.
I have to repeat it over and over again, when it comes to sales to US customers, Lexus was #2 last year... not BMW. Next up sold almost 100k cars less.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Their sedans have flopped (nobody wants to admit it) and their SUVs live off their Ford truck and Ford SUV acceptance. If the F150 succeeds, then everything after it follows. That is just the way I see it.

Genesis needs or perhaps needed an out-of-the-box turn-key mega hit. A model that everyone in the luxury game would follow or notice.
No more floppy than an Acura ILX or Volvo S60. Very ho-hum (though I love the exterior of the S60). And the Continental may not be much, but it is world's better than the MKS it replaced.

Genesis needs some SUVs first (to help finance a mega hit), but I agree they need essentially a game-changer. What that is I don't know.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 02:37 PM
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I have to repeat it over and over again, when it comes to sales to US customers, Lexus was #2 last year... not BMW. Next up sold almost 100k cars less.
Yeah I don't go into the 'Monthly Sales' thread much lol. Doesn't matter though, Lexus, Benz, and BMW tend to trade months from time to time. As far as I'm concerned they are top three, whatever order doesn't matter much. Lexus slipped a few years ago. But they have had much success with the redesigned RX and refreshed NX. Even the ancient GX posts good numbers. As much as people hate on the Spindle, and as you're bolstering my argument with your post, sales are doing great for Lexus.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 97-SC300

Genesis needs some SUVs first (to help finance a mega hit), but I agree they need essentially a game-changer. What that is I don't know.
Genesis needs a mid size SUV that out-does what the Lexus RX, Cadillac XT5, Buick SUV, Lincoln MKZ, and Acura MDX all do. It also needs or needed to be so good and long lasting that reliability is cemented in stone compared to what Lexus has for perception. Genesis needs to steal market share from someone, with sedans declining and the overall market automobile market declining, this is where they can achieve some success. This successful Genesis also has to have a Hyundai or KIA variant that is equally as successful as eventually some Hyundai owners will become luxury car owners.

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It's such a pet peeve of mine when people spell Alpha instead of Alfa and Infinity instead of Infiniti, the latter especially. Infiniti has been in the states for decades, there's no reason to be spelling it incorrectly.
Camaro has been in the USA since 1967 yet people still spell it Camero.


Their, There, and They're and your and you're have been part of the English language since the late 1500s and they still get misspelled and misused.

it is what it is, no point in letting the little things bother you.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Genesis needs a mid size SUV that out-does what the Lexus RX, Cadillac XT5, Buick SUV, Lincoln MKZ, and Acura MDX all do. It also needs or needed to be so good and long lasting that reliability is cemented in stone compared to what Lexus has for perception. Genesis needs to steal market share from someone, with sedans declining and the overall market automobile market declining, this is where they can achieve some success.
MKX Jill . Which now renamed Nautilus for 2019

Buick SUV if we're talking midsize would be the Envision.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
MKX Jill . Which now renamed Nautilus for 2019

Buick SUV if we're talking midsize would be the Envision.
See how stupid these name changes are. I was thinking Enclave LOL.
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Old May 5, 2018 | 09:22 PM
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I've never heard good things about Hyundai dealership experiences, for whatever reason. But, I can mentally separate the car from the dealership - so it's not a deal-breaker for me. As long as I would get the concierge service (where they drop off a loaner in my driveway), no complaints here.
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