2018 Accord
11-14-17, 08:31 PM
#31
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11-14-17, 10:17 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
In the past, no. Today....I'm not so sure. Unlike yesteryear, today, several of them are real competition.
11-15-17, 04:52 AM
#35
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Yes. This would be the case. Doesn't matter how good the Malibu, Fusion, or Sonata are. They are not able to charge as much.
11-15-17, 05:48 AM
#36
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How is GM the big loser? 
You don't like the Malibu? I'll grant you the standard 1.5L turbo four in both the Malibu and Fusion is not very much of an engine, but they are both, otherwise, pretty nice products. And don't forget the mid-size 2018 Regals, including the Wagon, that will be soon debuting. In its favor, though, the Accord, except for some transmission issues, has a long history of being built like a Swiss Watch.
Hmmm.......I can think of at least one person, here on Car Chat, with a brand-new Pacifica, who might disagree with you about it being mediocre.
You don't like the Malibu? I'll grant you the standard 1.5L turbo four in both the Malibu and Fusion is not very much of an engine, but they are both, otherwise, pretty nice products. And don't forget the mid-size 2018 Regals, including the Wagon, that will be soon debuting. In its favor, though, the Accord, except for some transmission issues, has a long history of being built like a Swiss Watch.Hmmm.......I can think of at least one person, here on Car Chat, with a brand-new Pacifica, who might disagree with you about it being mediocre.
11-15-17, 06:48 AM
#37
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I hear all this crying about the BMW steering, but are people still buying BMWs? Are they buying them for more money?
11-15-17, 06:51 AM
#38
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11-15-17, 06:57 AM
#39
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(I know 5, I should find better friends, less vain)
11-15-17, 06:59 AM
#40
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11-15-17, 06:59 AM
#41
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rhetorical: How many people do you know who have the iPhone X in their hands? Are they concerned about the facial recognition? How much it cost them? Or are they more concerned that they have the iPhone X and got them days after the release?
(I know 5, I should find better friends, less vain)
(I know 5, I should find better friends, less vain)
11-15-17, 07:05 AM
#42
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11-15-17, 07:12 AM
#43
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My analogy is that the typical BMW buyer today who has $65k to spend, isn't concerned with performance in the least bit. The 3 hasn't been on the 10 Best list (again it used to be the 8 best with the 3 and Accord being permanent members) for how many years now? When you put a 2007-10 335i on a lift, what do you see? First of all holy c***, a true dual exhaust on an inline 6? The engineers went buck wild, that cost a fortune. Lift a newer 335 or new (unless it changed again) 340 and what do you see? A single exhaust, with a muffler turned sideways like a Pontiac G6. The bean counters went buck wild.
For me, it is a fact--a brand new Chevy Malibu, has better steering, than a brand new BMW 340i. I've driven both. I've even autocrossed the F series 540, steering is not good. My hunch is that the younger generation is being taught that one presses a button for Sport +, and you are told this is better, you don't have any opinion on this nor are you allowed to have one.
For me, it is a fact--a brand new Chevy Malibu, has better steering, than a brand new BMW 340i. I've driven both. I've even autocrossed the F series 540, steering is not good. My hunch is that the younger generation is being taught that one presses a button for Sport +, and you are told this is better, you don't have any opinion on this nor are you allowed to have one.
11-15-17, 07:23 AM
#44
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My analogy is that the typical BMW buyer today who has $65k to spend, isn't concerned with performance in the least bit. The 3 hasn't been on the 10 Best list (again it used to be the 8 best with the 3 and Accord being permanent members) for how many years now? When you put a 2007-10 335i on a lift, what do you see? First of all holy c***, a true dual exhaust on an inline 6? The engineers went buck wild, that cost a fortune. Lift a newer 335 or new (unless it changed again) 340 and what do you see? A single exhaust, with a muffler turned sideways like a Pontiac G6. The bean counters went buck wild.
For me, it is a fact--a brand new Chevy Malibu, has better steering, than a brand new BMW 340i. I've driven both. I've even autocrossed the F series 540, steering is not good. My hunch is that the younger generation is being taught that one presses a button for Sport +, and you are told this is better, you don't have any opinion on this nor are you allowed to have one.
For me, it is a fact--a brand new Chevy Malibu, has better steering, than a brand new BMW 340i. I've driven both. I've even autocrossed the F series 540, steering is not good. My hunch is that the younger generation is being taught that one presses a button for Sport +, and you are told this is better, you don't have any opinion on this nor are you allowed to have one.
11-15-17, 07:52 AM
#45
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And for whatever reasons, the Malibu designers nailed it. I drove a newer (2013) Mazda 3, and the steering was also pinkie light, awful. 2016 Pathfinder, it was actually a bit too heavy (likely the motor could not do the job at 0 mph). Malibu, just right.