Lexus LS500/LS500h
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Seems like a great starting point to get people interested. But if they don't have a good lease option, I don't see much advantage here. Maybe just for the buyers. It would be similar to higher starting price with good lease option. On the other side some will say the LS is cheap and start looking into different options. It's not really a win win situation as it may seem.
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Well, a V6 BMW 740i with 320 HP clocks in much faster than the LS 460 with 386 HP, legitimately, or at least tested like that across multiple sources.
Lexus just greatly overstates their performance figures. I'm curious how much Lexus overstates this car. Other than the price, which we now know, that's the only other unknown I'm curious about.
Lexus just greatly overstates their performance figures. I'm curious how much Lexus overstates this car. Other than the price, which we now know, that's the only other unknown I'm curious about.
As you can see below, in these two magazines Lexus vehicles performed at or better than Lexus advertises 32 times out of 38.
It seems clear to me that Lexus does not habitually overstate performance figures as is so constantly repeated on here.
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A lot of those values aren't actual instrument tests, especially from C&D.
Unless noted otherwise, they'll just regurgitate what's already out there. The LS 460, for example, I don't believe they ever actually tested. Motor trend did and that 5.6 and 5.7 for the normal and F respectively were indeed what they hit. But C&D never actually published an instrument test. At least I couldn't find one.
RCF is another one where I don't think C&D actually went on record to test.
Still a far cry from the Germans Habit of understating.
Unless noted otherwise, they'll just regurgitate what's already out there. The LS 460, for example, I don't believe they ever actually tested. Motor trend did and that 5.6 and 5.7 for the normal and F respectively were indeed what they hit. But C&D never actually published an instrument test. At least I couldn't find one.
RCF is another one where I don't think C&D actually went on record to test.
Still a far cry from the Germans Habit of understating.
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That was my taught exactly. Its looking really good right now. And it also allows a V8 LS to be priced properly(whenever they decide to let the cat out of the bag)
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-tested-review
I didn't say otherwise. I fully agree the Germans understate their figures. I was not addressing that at all, but rather your claim that "Lexus just greatly overstates their performance figures". I cannot find any data that backs up your claim. Perhaps you can provide some real world test data to back it up?
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Here's one.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.autom...rt-review/amp/
Tests 7.2. Took me two seconds to find. I'm sure there are many more examples. If you really want me to find them and display them here, I will.
The LS 460 is another that I'm all too familiar with.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.autom...rt-review/amp/
Tests 7.2. Took me two seconds to find. I'm sure there are many more examples. If you really want me to find them and display them here, I will.
The LS 460 is another that I'm all too familiar with.
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Well, a V6 BMW 740i with 320 HP clocks in much faster than the LS 460 with 386 HP, legitimately, or at least tested like that across multiple sources.
Lexus just greatly overstates their performance figures. I'm curious how much Lexus overstates this car. Other than the price, which we now know, that's the only other unknown I'm curious about.
Lexus just greatly overstates their performance figures. I'm curious how much Lexus overstates this car. Other than the price, which we now know, that's the only other unknown I'm curious about.
I remember a GS350 and a GS460 putting out almost the same performance figure in real world until you reach certain speed and those are two NA engine cars. Now why am I not surprise a lighter turbo engine car probably with lesser weight is faster.
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Here's one.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.autom...rt-review/amp/
Tests 7.2. Took me two seconds to find. I'm sure there are many more examples. If you really want me to find them and display them here, I will.
The LS 460 is another that I'm all too familiar with.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.autom...rt-review/amp/
Tests 7.2. Took me two seconds to find. I'm sure there are many more examples. If you really want me to find them and display them here, I will.
The LS 460 is another that I'm all too familiar with.
On the surface at least, the performance numbers for the 2016 Lexus GS (241 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque) seem acceptable enough and help propel the roughly 3,800-pound GS from 0 to 60 mph in a shade over 7 seconds, according to Lexus. While no rocket ship, in our first stint behind the wheel of the GS 200t we found it at least as quick as the numbers suggest, with Lexus claiming it is nearly as peppy with three adults in the car. (We’ll have to take Lexus’ word for it for now.)
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More from Lexus Enthusiast.
Emphasis in bold is mine.
https://lexusenthusiast.com/2017/09/...-75000-in-usa/
Lexus has announced the all-new fifth-generation LS flagship sedan will start around $75,000 in the United States, up from the $73,500 base price of the existing model.
This additional cost will be offset by new standard features, though exact details have yet to be released. It’s also expected that 70% of all LS sales will come in below $80,000 before individual options are added. Pricing for the LS will max out at approximately $100,000 for a fully loaded model.
Other interesting details — Lexus forecasts that the LS will sell approximately 1,000 units per month in the USA, with the F SPORT package accounting for 20% of sales and the LS hybrid at 10%.
This additional cost will be offset by new standard features, though exact details have yet to be released. It’s also expected that 70% of all LS sales will come in below $80,000 before individual options are added. Pricing for the LS will max out at approximately $100,000 for a fully loaded model.
Other interesting details — Lexus forecasts that the LS will sell approximately 1,000 units per month in the USA, with the F SPORT package accounting for 20% of sales and the LS hybrid at 10%.
https://lexusenthusiast.com/2017/09/...-75000-in-usa/
For those interested, here's a press briefing from earlier this week, looks like the car will be out February , LS500h 0-60 5.1 sec. MPG figures will be 25/33/28 combined, didn't watch whole video yet.
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GS-F and RC-F are overpriced hence the poor sales and having to lower the price
LFA was overpriced hence why they did not sell all 500 to buyers.
I feel the LC500 is overpriced for what you get and the many lukewarm reviews.
Germans generally cost more but most agree they are way overpriced too but have more prestige and normally more performance, does not mean it is okay for Lexus to price their cars closer and closer.
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The GS is hardly overpriced compared to other entries in its segment. It's cheapest car in its segment. Whether it's overpriced compared to the ES depends on you. Having had both I would pay the extra for the GS no problem.
LFA overpriced? They've gone up in value depending on the car.
LC, also I don't see how you can say it's overpriced if you've experienced one and really think about its competition. Most of the reviews I've read have been very positive.
LFA overpriced? They've gone up in value depending on the car.
LC, also I don't see how you can say it's overpriced if you've experienced one and really think about its competition. Most of the reviews I've read have been very positive.