Tesla model 3 vs. Lexus review
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The article lists the ES350 0-60 time as 7.1 sec. I suspect this is for when the car is in ECO mode. Consumer Reports lists the 2017 ES350 0-60 time as 6.2 sec (normal mode? Or sport mode? It does not say). The ES300 has an 8.2 sec 0-60 time. But yes the Tesla is faster. Does 0.6 sec or so make a difference to me, no.
Most electric cars recommend that you install a 240 volt outlet near the car. Due to the high current, extension cords (except for real short ones) are not recommended. Charging using 120 volts is painfully slow.
Most electric cars recommend that you install a 240 volt outlet near the car. Due to the high current, extension cords (except for real short ones) are not recommended. Charging using 120 volts is painfully slow.
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LOL, finally read the article. If Model 3 owners think they will still qualify for the federal tax credit at the time they receive their car, they are in for a big surprise. Projections show that Tesla will reach the 200K sales limit by Q4 of 2017 or Q1 of 18...so 35K is going to be the minimal base price people will be paying.
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And the Supercharging network is set to expand greatly in lieu of the Model 3 release. Although Model 3 owners will not receive free unlimited supercharging like Model S/X owners who took delivery before Jan 2017. https://www.tesla.com/supercharger
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Disregard that it's an electric car for a minute.
What you have left is a small car with a barren interior as inviting as a cardboard box, and an ipad.
I don't see value in that.
compared to something $15000 cheaper getting 25mpg, it would take 10 years of expensive california gas to reach the cost of a model 3.
and the 0-60 time doesn't matter from a practical viewpoint. You're never going to gun it except for a few times entering the freeway.
What you have left is a small car with a barren interior as inviting as a cardboard box, and an ipad.
I don't see value in that.
compared to something $15000 cheaper getting 25mpg, it would take 10 years of expensive california gas to reach the cost of a model 3.
and the 0-60 time doesn't matter from a practical viewpoint. You're never going to gun it except for a few times entering the freeway.
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Disregard that it's an electric car for a minute.
What you have left is a small car with a barren interior as inviting as a cardboard box, and an ipad.
I don't see value in that.
compared to something $15000 cheaper getting 25mpg, it would take 10 years of expensive california gas to reach the cost of a model 3.
and the 0-60 time doesn't matter from a practical viewpoint. You're never going to gun it except for a few times entering the freeway.
What you have left is a small car with a barren interior as inviting as a cardboard box, and an ipad.
I don't see value in that.
compared to something $15000 cheaper getting 25mpg, it would take 10 years of expensive california gas to reach the cost of a model 3.
and the 0-60 time doesn't matter from a practical viewpoint. You're never going to gun it except for a few times entering the freeway.
That's why I've held back from buying one myself.
It's a great driveline, though the battery's longevity is untested.
The body and interior falls well short, and the body's longevity is untested too.
And once the intense EV competition from the likes of Mercedes, Audi, BMW and Lexus are released, there is likely to be trouble for the Model 3.
I suspect Elon Musk started something great, but it's still only a flash in the pan in the long term...
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how can you "disregard" that its an electric car when it is to its core an electric car and the majority of the cost to make it stems from it being an electric car?
Im not a huge Tesla or Model 3 fan but I still see value in the the 35K electric car. If you were to choose between a Chevy bolt or a Model 3 (same price), I think most people would go for the Tesla. It's not about being able to recoup the cost of the premium, but if you feel it is "worth" it. Otherwise, by your logic, nobody would buy luxury cars, nor hybrids, nor hydrogen, and yet people still do. A 20K civic doesn't get you very much in comparison. Much worse drive train, no brand panache, (I hear) Tesla's outstanding service, just to name a few.
Im not a huge Tesla or Model 3 fan but I still see value in the the 35K electric car. If you were to choose between a Chevy bolt or a Model 3 (same price), I think most people would go for the Tesla. It's not about being able to recoup the cost of the premium, but if you feel it is "worth" it. Otherwise, by your logic, nobody would buy luxury cars, nor hybrids, nor hydrogen, and yet people still do. A 20K civic doesn't get you very much in comparison. Much worse drive train, no brand panache, (I hear) Tesla's outstanding service, just to name a few.
that's like saying disregard that a lamborghini is an exotic for a minute. 
cardboard boxes are useful, and ipads are awesome and changed the game. 
they're not for everyone.
What you have left is a small car with a barren interior as inviting as a cardboard box, and an ipad.
I don't see value in that.
I love Tesla and what Musk is trying to do with selling mass market EV's but the Model 3 looks a kind of like a computer mouse in the same way a Prius does. The Model S has a better classic shape. The price point and drivetrain are great. The dash being just a flat protruding screen which forces the driver to look away from the road to see any major readouts is not appealing. I'd love to believe there will at least be a heads up display but Musk has given no indication of this being even a remote possibility. The self-driving function gets more emphasis over including a simple driver-centric cluster over the steering wheel.
It will be a great car and appeal to many and the 0-60 is nice (and a faster variant has been hinted at later into production) but I don't get the impression that it's intended as a very driver-oriented car even for a city-only vehicle despite its many engineering plusses.
It will be a great car and appeal to many and the 0-60 is nice (and a faster variant has been hinted at later into production) but I don't get the impression that it's intended as a very driver-oriented car even for a city-only vehicle despite its many engineering plusses.
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