is it really typical to see as much as $5K-$10K off msrp?

 

It's fascinating to see a Kia Forte commercial, and then see that the price as shown is almost $27k. I get the definite feeling people are willing to spend more of their income towards a vehicle today...

 

Yes this is the case I believe. The new generation allocates so much of their income to new vehicles IMO.

 

Now THAT's a bargain....if they will actually honor it (Toyota has 0.9% on their website, but they don't list all of the local specials). I can remember, though it was a fair number of years ago, when people were lined up outside the front door at Toyota shops to buy new Camrys. The salespeople and managers were in a position to pretty much dictate their own terms....and often did.

 

Funny, I don't remember that.

 

They are running a boat load of commercials here in Georgia for the 0% for 60 months for the 2018 Camry.

 

That does not happen. They will tell you it's happening, but it does not. Every car company is in the business to make money, not lose it. Leaving it up to the wild west salesmen to make up pricing would never fly.

 

Here in competitive CA, it's common to see the top models of these marked down at least $5k+. And going along with what a poster originally mentioned earlier about cutting into Lexus pricing, a dealer knows that as well. Doesn't want their cars seeping into that territory or the customer will start considering Lexus. So big discounts once the initial hype wears off. Also bare in mind, the white XSE V6 shown here had rip-off factory/dealer accessories that artificially inflate the sticker. Most dealers are wise enough not to do that, or at least won't bother with that once initial demand tapers off. So a $40k Camry will probably not be seen much longer, making all this a non-issue.

 

Anyone have an idea of the Camry vs ES in snow?
(perhaps a bit difficult since no snow yet since 2018 Camry came out but maybe based on 2017 vs 2017...)

 

That was me, trying to buy my first new car.....1997 Camry CE 5-spd. They were willing to give me $500 off but I had to give a CC deposit before I hung up the phone, or the deal is off hahahahahahahahahaahhaaha The salesman told me I am pretty confident you either won't find one discounted at all, or no better than $500, in the tri state area (NY/NJ/CT). I did the right thing and hung up without making the deal, but wondered if I lost my chance at a Toyota Camry....ooooohhhh, Camry!

 

Thats just dealership BS. Had you called another dealer you'd have had a different experience.

 

Were you living here in the 80s and 90s? Accords and Camrys were both VERY difficult to deal on. I was being somewhat facetious about a literal line out the front door, but, in fact (that's not an opinion, but a fact), if you were shopping for a Camry, Accord (or, in some cases, even a Taurus, which was also extremely popular at the time, though part of it was fleet-sales), you usually had to be prepared for a less-than-pleasant experience at the stealership. The stellar reputations of these vehicles, though, kept the customers coming despite indifferent treatment. The Reagan Administration also enacted tariffs and import-restrictions on Japanese-sourced vehicles, which made the situation even worse until the Honda and Toyota plants opened in the U.S.

 

i think this new camry is a big step up overall, but i think it's nickname needs to be buttaface

 

Yes... I've lived here my whole life.

Theres a difference between "being hard to deal on" and having lines around the block and dealerships dictating terms. We bought two Explorers in the 90s, talk about a popular vehicle, no lines around the block. Sure, you didn't get $10k off like you do today but you overstate it.

 

I'm okay with it, just not that thrilled with white. Car and Driver ruined it for me when they commented that the front looks like an athletic supporter hanging on a chain link fence...