2018 Camry revealed
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I saw a black one on the road recently. It looked rather good in that colour but I am still not a fan of the over-done styling.
Regarding the comparison of the Camry with the ES, I had considered trading in my ES for a Camry when the lease expires in a few months time, but after sitting in the Camry, I am thinking that I will wait for the new 2019 ES. I was not impressed with the interiors of the new Camrys that I sat in.
Regarding the comparison of the Camry with the ES, I had considered trading in my ES for a Camry when the lease expires in a few months time, but after sitting in the Camry, I am thinking that I will wait for the new 2019 ES. I was not impressed with the interiors of the new Camrys that I sat in.
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I saw a black one on the road recently. It looked rather good in that colour but I am still not a fan of the over-done styling.
Regarding the comparison of the Camry with the ES, I had considered trading in my ES for a Camry when the lease expires in a few months time, but after sitting in the Camry, I am thinking that I will wait for the new 2019 ES. I was not impressed with the interiors of the new Camrys that I sat in.
Regarding the comparison of the Camry with the ES, I had considered trading in my ES for a Camry when the lease expires in a few months time, but after sitting in the Camry, I am thinking that I will wait for the new 2019 ES. I was not impressed with the interiors of the new Camrys that I sat in.
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You asked. I answered with my opinion. Perhaps if I did not currently drive an ES (or have family members who really like the Lexus), I would feel differently about the Camry, but now that I have owned an ES, I think that it will be difficult for me to go back to the Camry. (I was a serial Camry owner until I got a Corolla in 2010 to save money.)
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Not at all. The ES is finished and optioned out much nicer than the Camry. It's also leasing and selling extremely cheap right now. That should help offset any concern. Plus a new ES is just around the corner.
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Me too. One parked next to me last week at Costco, was a nice maroon metallic color. I think it looked great. But knowing what I do about its powertrain I wouldn't be able to consider it. The driver of this car was around 60-65 in my estimation, so I think it's gone upscale....(perhaps the demographic is more Avalon prior)
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not sure if this article was posted here already
https://www.cars.com/articles/toyota...1420697091739/
https://www.cars.com/articles/toyota...1420697091739/
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not sure if this article was posted here already
https://www.cars.com/articles/toyota...1420697091739/
https://www.cars.com/articles/toyota...1420697091739/
The 2018 Camry is a modern design that rests on the brand new, stiff TNGA platform and updated, more powerful V6 engine, and the model tested, the XSE, is the sporty model (which is what these reviewers tend to prefer). The 2017 ES, on the other hand, is an old design that rests on an old, less-stiff platform, uses the less powerful V6 engine and is aimed more at soft cruising rather than sporty running (which is what these young reviewers tend NOT to prefer).
I prefer to wait a year and compare the Camry with the new Avalon and ES, when all will be on the new TNGA platform with all 3 using the same 4-cylinder, 6-cylinder and hybrid drivetrains.
I myself am going to wait another year before deciding whether to trade in my ES for a Camry, an Avalon or another ES.
This is an unfair comparison.
The 2018 Camry is a modern design that rests on the brand new, stiff TNGA platform and updated, more powerful V6 engine, and the model tested, the XSE, is the sporty model (which is what these reviewers tend to prefer). The 2017 ES, on the other hand, is an old design that rests on an old, less-stiff platform, uses the less powerful V6 engine and is aimed more at soft cruising rather than sporty running (which is what these young reviewers tend NOT to prefer).
The 2018 Camry is a modern design that rests on the brand new, stiff TNGA platform and updated, more powerful V6 engine, and the model tested, the XSE, is the sporty model (which is what these reviewers tend to prefer). The 2017 ES, on the other hand, is an old design that rests on an old, less-stiff platform, uses the less powerful V6 engine and is aimed more at soft cruising rather than sporty running (which is what these young reviewers tend NOT to prefer).
the es is a nice car for sure, but the camry really stepped up its game to keep sales strong (hopefully). i personally think the xse in that review looks ugly from the front though (too much).
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article states clearly the es is an older platform, plus reviewer would pick the xse over the es even without the $10k difference in price!
the es is a nice car for sure, but the camry really stepped up its game to keep sales strong (hopefully). i personally think the xse in that review looks ugly from the front though (too much).
the es is a nice car for sure, but the camry really stepped up its game to keep sales strong (hopefully). i personally think the xse in that review looks ugly from the front though (too much).
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Regarding the comparison of the Camry with the ES, I had considered trading in my ES for a Camry when the lease expires in a few months time, but after sitting in the Camry, I am thinking that I will wait for the new 2019 ES. I was not impressed with the interiors of the new Camrys that I sat in.
There's no comparison between a Camry and a ES.
I am a frequent user of Camry. I have a 2015 ES250 now and I used ES300, LS400 and Ls430 in the past.
Camry's model was getting better and better up to around year 2002 and than getting worse and worse thereafter from 2006. On the other hand, ES has been improving with each newer model.
I just dont don't know why but that's what's my Personal experience. The difference is big: for me, I like to drive and find it enjoyable to ride on the older model of Camry. But I cannot like the newer model.
This is the first Camry model that I found a deterioration of quality...mainly the ride and the comfort:
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A number of posters (not all, of course) feel as I do....the best Camry, hands-down, was the superb 3Gen model from 1992-1996. While there have been a few slight rises here and there, it's been (mostly) downhill for the last 20 years. The Lexus ES, as far as I'm concerned, reached its peak with the 4th-Generation ES300/330 (2001-2006), and, since then, like the Camry, has been (mostly) downhill.
I'll admit, though, that I have not checked out the very latest Camry in detail. I plan to do so.
I'll admit, though, that I have not checked out the very latest Camry in detail. I plan to do so.
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A number of posters (not all, of course) feel as I do....the best Camry, hands-down, was the superb 3Gen model from 1992-1996. While there have been a few slight rises here and there, it's been (mostly) downhill for the last 20 years. The Lexus ES, as far as I'm concerned, reached its peak with the 4th-Generation ES300/330 (2001-2006), and, since then, like the Camry, has been (mostly) downhill.
I'll admit, though, that I have not checked out the very latest Camry in detail. I plan to do so.
I'll admit, though, that I have not checked out the very latest Camry in detail. I plan to do so.
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So, what you are saying, then, is that you are comparing the 2018 to earlier designs? That, of course, would make sense, if you are in the market for a new one. I'd agree with some earlier posters that the 2006 version was the worst.