Originally Posted by spwolf (Post 8995782)

why would you prefer 2.0t to new 3.5l V6? I wouldnt. Hopefully they leave V6 inside, at least this generation.

As to Tacoma, if Tacoma is getting new generation engine, Camry will get it too, they are not going to leave Camry behind, it is in most competitive class.

Originally Posted by sorptd (Post 8995657)

They could also use the new 2.0 T engine in the Camry (or for that matter the ES as well), however since the Camry went through significant changes recently I doubt if the engine updates are coming this year.

Toyota has said that new engine in the Tacoma is a truck series engine which is not the same as the 3.5 V6 in the Camry - not sure what that means. Either way it will be nice to finally see some engine updates in the Lexus / Toyota line up.

Originally Posted by sorptd (Post 8995850)

The new 2.0 T seems to perform well in the NX which is a at least few hundred pounds heavier than the current ES or Camry. I haven't driven the NX yet but i would imagine it should perform even better in these sedans.

Would I prefer it over the V6, i doubt. Even the current V6 in the Camry (which is my current DD) provides class leading performance, good real world fuel economy and has solid reliability record. If Toyota were to update that engine in terms of power and efficiency that would be my preference.

Originally Posted by RXSF (Post 8995831)

I dont think anybody needs 300 hp in a FWD camry. I understand new engines are bringing higher hp numbers while increasing mpg at the same time, but they should really focus on keeping the same hp while increasing mpg even more

Originally Posted by spwolf (Post 8995782)

why would you prefer 2.0t to new 3.5l V6? I wouldnt. Hopefully they leave V6 inside, at least this generation.

As to Tacoma, if Tacoma is getting new generation engine, Camry will get it too, they are not going to leave Camry behind, it is in most competitive class.

Originally Posted by sorptd (Post 8995657)

They could also use the new 2.0 T engine in the Camry (or for that matter the ES as well), however since the Camry went through significant changes recently I doubt if the engine updates are coming this year.

Originally Posted by pman6 (Post 8995377)

the grille is taller and wider and in your face

Originally Posted by Nextourer (Post 8996399)

It'll probably arrive with the complete redesign of the Camry.



Now that you posted the two side-by-side, it looks like the updated ES will have LED headlights. Those twin projectors look similar to the IS' LED headlights.

Originally Posted by spwolf (Post 8996938)

I think in near future all Toyota/Lexus will move to LEDs completely vs Xenon... even new Auris now has twin projector led setup as their premium option, vs xenons before. So from low end to high end, it will be LED... it makes much sense, since LED also lasts so much longer.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 8997656)

agreed. lower power consumption. much longer life. no heat. lower cost in volume. no brainer. :p

do led headlights require the up/down movement motors like hid's?

Originally Posted by Fizzboy7 (Post 8998562)

The newer LED headlights are indeed more efficient and effective. But thus far, they have been very pricey on new cars. At least that's the message manufacturers have been sending to consumers.

Originally Posted by spwolf (Post 8998605)

As we can see with Corolla having LEDs in base vehicle, and in general with LED lighting coming down in pricing significantly in every industry, it seems that they have all been able to drastically reduce the price while improving the output, something that wasnt possible with xenons anymore.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 8997656)

agreed. lower power consumption. much longer life. no heat. lower cost in volume. no brainer. :p

do led headlights require the up/down movement motors like hid's?

Originally Posted by Nextourer (Post 8998724)

True but you can tell that the quality of the Corolla's LEDs is different (possibly of lower quality?) than the rest of the Toyota lineup (particularly the Prius and RAV4 EV with LED headlights). The Corolla's lens or light output appears quite blue to oncoming traffic. At certain angles, they look like ebay knockoffs (you know, like those LED bulbs you can buy from ebay to replace the interior lights in your car, for example. I bought a set once, they were bluer than they were white lol).

They're used as DRLs in Canada so all Corollas here will have their LED low beams running every time the car is on - that definitely puts faith in the longevity of the LED low beams in the Corolla.



The Bi-LED headlamps in the 2015 Prius c and 2015 Prius v use a shade so the light output is essentially as bright as high beams but with a shade to create the low beam requirements.

The Camry and Mirai have separate LED high beams.

LED headlights do produce heat so they need a heat sink. Smaller bulbs don't produce much heat so they're ok in enclosed interior-type functions.

Originally Posted by Fizzboy7 (Post 8999075)

I'd have to go along with that. The Corolla's standard LED's don't look like much more than xenons from a distance. But at least it's a step in the right direction and better than what others showcase in that class. When more car makers start offering them as standard equipment instead of making them a $900 option, I'll believe they are cheaper to make. As it stands now, according to window stickers across the country, they are coming to the consumer as more expensive than traditional lights.