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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 07:12 PM
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Baby Boomers want to feel young, not old. They want things that remind them of youth, not of age.
Amen to that! That's why I drive an S5 like a bat out of hell. It will be 76 degrees in Dallas tomorrow and I'm picking up my 83 y/o mother in our G37 Vert with the top down. If anyone sees me on the Tollway, steer clear.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 07:16 PM
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70 degrees here tomorrow! Crazy...

Mark my words, this car will be the "Luxury" upgrade at your local Hertz rent a car and that will be that...that'll be an upgrade from the MKS though as they didn't even want them.
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Old Dec 24, 2015 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dseag2
You're absolutely right on this. Baby Boomers control over 70% of the wealth right now.
Many of them, like me, were fortunate enough to get into careers and/or jobs where things were much better in the long run (notwithstanding short-term recessions) than they are today, 35-40 years later. The global economy, and its downward pressure on wages/benefits, has really done a job on much of the traditional American job-market.


With that said, I'm a Baby Boomer in my 50's buying in this segment and I don't even remember the iconic, traditional Lincoln interiors so anything that would harken back to that era would be lost on me.
The Lincolns back then (especially the full-size Continental and Continental Marks, as compared to the mid-size Ford-Granada-rebade Lincoln Versailles), though plush inside, were not known as much for plush interiors (at least compared to Cadillac's interiors) as much as they were for unsurpassed ride comfort. Their enormous size/weight, ultra-soft suspensions/tires, and cocoon-like sound insulation (and, unfortunately, the battleship-like handling and maneuverability that went along with it) insured the maximum in road-isolation.....you felt next to nothing in the way of bumps.


This is why Lincoln needs to move forward and forget the past.
With the MKC and new MKX, they are pretty much doing that. I'll withhold more comments on the new Continental until I see and drive it....but, so far, I like what I've seen in images. I WILL say, through, that, IMO, Lincoln needs better dealerships as much or more than they do vehicles. Hawking them out of Ford dealerships (and only a limited number of Ford dealerships at that), isn't going to cut it in the long run....although it does, in some cases, make it simpler for potential customers to compare Ford and Lincolns, right next to each other, and determine if they want to spend the extra cash for a Lincoln.

You're correct that the LS was an excellent concept, but Lincoln made two big errors with it. First, as you correctly noticed, they gave it more of a Ford-grade interior instead of a Lincoln. Second, they tried to market it against the equivalent BMW 5-series without doing a V8/manual-transmission version to compete with the 540i. Even after criticism from the auto press for this, Lincoln managers stubbornly refused the manual-transmission-option for the V8, and limited it solely to the V6. That hurt it with potential enthusiast buyers.


Also, I'm glad you are on this forum. You have lots of knowledge to share and lend a different perspective!
Thanks. I've been reviewing and test-driving cars since I was a teen-ager...and, of course, that was some time ago. But there are many people here on CAR CHAT with a lot of vehicle knowledge....you add significantly to the forum yourself. I'm one of those guys that generally prefers softer comfort to firmness and/or aggressive driving......always have, even when I was young, though, like any normal teen-ager, I had at least some attraction to Detroit's muscle-cars of the era, and drove a number of them, but with care common sense. Still, I get criticized sometimes for being too old-school (or boring) in an crowd of more aggressive-type car enthusiasts.
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Old Dec 24, 2015 | 01:14 PM
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^ No the real problem with the Lincoln LS(besides rippping Lexus off for the name) IMO was they had it all backwards. Ford interior with Jaguar motors. So now you have a plasticy, crappy interior in an unreliable car.

That car had the potential to be awesome, Ford had a great 300hp DOCH 4.6 V8 that they were already sticking in the Mark VIII and sideways in the FWD Continental. Make that standard, then if you wanted to compete with AMG and the like, stick that supercharged version out of the Mustang Cobra under the hood.
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Old Dec 24, 2015 | 01:34 PM
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^ No the real problem with the Lincoln LS(besides rippping Lexus off for the name) IMO was they had it all backwards. Ford interior with Jaguar motors. So now you have a plasticy, crappy interior in an unreliable car.

That car had the potential to be awesome, Ford had a great 300hp DOCH 4.6 V8 that they were already sticking in the Mark VIII and sideways in the FWD Continental. Make that standard, then if you wanted to compete with AMG and the like, stick that supercharged version out of the Mustang Cobra under the hood.
I'd forgotten about that V8 option in the LS. That 3.9L Jaguar V8 was also used in the limited retro Thunderbird
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Old Dec 24, 2015 | 06:57 PM
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I'd forgotten about that V8 option in the LS. That 3.9L Jaguar V8 was also used in the limited retro Thunderbird
The retro T-Bird was done on a slightly shortened version of the LS/Jaguar S-Class RWD platform. It was different, of course, from the Mustang's RWD platform of the time because non-Cobra versions of the Mustang used a live rear axle.
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Old Dec 24, 2015 | 07:30 PM
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I personally think the look of the retro T-Bird has held up pretty well. Nothing else on the road looks like it. However, the low-rent interior was never its strong suit.
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Old Dec 24, 2015 | 08:05 PM
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Ugh. The mismanagement of the DEW98 vehicles was just a complete shame. So much wasted potential.
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All-New Lincoln Continental Delivers Quiet Luxury: Elegant, Effortlessly Powerful, Serene

- Lincoln Motor Company introduces its elegant new flagship – the all-new Continental – coming this fall
- Effortless power comes from new 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged V6 engine that produces a projected 400 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque1; advanced safety technology is also featured
- Serene interior offers the comfort of Lincoln's innovative Perfect Position Seat, spaciousness, rear seat amenities, Revel® audio system and top-grade materials

DETROIT, Jan. 12, 2016 – Lincoln Motor Company heralds the return of its flagship – the all-new Lincoln Continental – an elegant, effortlessly powerful, serene full-size sedan
that delivers quiet luxury to the industry's most discerning customers.

Beginning this fall, Continental offers first-class travel for clients in America and China, bringing warm, human touches and a contemporary design.

The full-size sedan is designed to appeal to culturally progressive clients who define luxury on their own terms – craving superior quality, craftsmanship and safety.

"The Continental name has long been associated with the ultimate in Lincoln beauty and luxury," said Kumar Galhotra, president of Lincoln. "With the all-new model, we are focusing on creating more human, personally tailored experiences for our clients – providing what we call quiet luxury."

Elegance through design
All-new Continental design is thoroughly modern, with Lincoln's new signature grille and an athletic profile that is dynamic and progressive.

Lincoln's new flagship welcomes drivers with a brand-exclusive lighting sequence. As the driver approaches the car with the key, LED signature lighting in the lower front fascia and taillamps subtly engages, while signature lighting in the headlamps awakens in a fluid motion. Lincoln mat lights then brighten the pavement around the front doors, helping show any hazards, while select interior lights warmly illuminate the cabin.

Continental door handles are designed to offer elegant and effortless entry with new E-latch door release. The release is discreetly integrated within the beltline, leaving the body side clean. With the gentle touch of a button, the vehicle's doors pop open, then use available power-cinching technology to automatically close and secure.

An elegant available panoramic sunroof covers nearly the entire roof area; the front half slides up and over the rear – creating a large open-air driving experience and an even greater feeling of spaciousness for up to five Continental occupants.

Effortless power
Continental offers available technologies that help create better and safer drivers.

The all-new Lincoln-exclusive 3.0-liter V6 engine with twin turbochargers that produces a projected 400 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque1 is designed for smooth, responsive, yet quiet power.

Continental's available all-wheel-drive system is paired with Dynamic Torque Vectoring that transfers torque on demand to the appropriate rear wheel when driving through corners – providing confident handling and stability.

Lincoln Drive Control provides the driver a choice of three settings – comfort, normal and sport – adapting steering and suspension settings to tailor ride and handling.

Available adaptive steering helps optimize steering response, enabling the vehicle to react more smoothly and precisely to driver input.

Continental's Pre-Collision Assist with Pedestrian Detection is designed to enhance occupant safety. A system of cameras and sensors detects if a potential collision may occur, then automatically applies the brakes, bringing the vehicle to a full stop to help avoid or reduce impact.2

Effortless assistance for the daily commute is available with optional adaptive cruise control, which can automatically slow Continental in stop-and-go traffic – resuming speed when traffic clears.

To take the stress out of parallel and perpendicular parking, the new 360-degree camera system uses views from cameras mounted in the grille, decklid and 180-degree side mirrors, then seamlessly stitches these snapshots together to create an image in the screen so the driver can see around the car – as if a camera is overhead.

Serene interior
The all-new Continental interior is designed to help all occupants rejuvenate.

One highlight is Lincoln's new Perfect Position Seats – inspired by private jets and high-end office furniture – that can adapt up to 30 ways. The patented design allows the seat to adjust to an individual's body shape and weight for optimal stretch and comfort, and includes massage, heat and cooling features. Independent thigh extensions are available to help reduce muscle fatigue.

Rear passengers can enjoy first-class travel amenities, too, with such available features as audio and climate controls, sunshades, and reclining, heated, cooled and massaging seats. The streamlined interior provides generous rear legroom.

Continental occupants also can enjoy an available Revel® audio system developed to work in concert with the interior design and acoustics, transforming the cabin into a personal amphitheater with three distinct listening modes – Stereo, Audience and On Stage. Use of the E-latch release enables optimal speaker positioning in the Continental doors, alongside the conveniently located seat controls.

Innovations in managing vehicle noise and vibration, including Active Noise Control and acoustic laminated glass create a quiet, comfortable environment conducive to conversation or contemplation.

For those seeking the highest expression of Lincoln luxury, three Lincoln Black Label designer themes are available – Chalet, Thoroughbred and Continental-exclusive Rhapsody.

Inside, opulent materials include leather seating, leather-wrapped console and instrument panel, unique stitching, genuine wood or artesian aluminum appliqués.

All models feature new design details. Stitching on the seats is specified at six to seven stitches per inch for a couture-like appearance, and the slats of the center console door are laser-cut to maximize consistency of the grain pattern.

The all-new Lincoln Continental will be produced at Flat Rock Assembly Plant in Michigan. The Lincoln flagship goes on sale this fall.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 12:31 AM
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The upside-down rhinoceros grille just kills it here. Could have been so much more smooth and luxurious. Also don't feel the novel door handles look any better on the greenhouse than if they were just on the body. Different to be different didn't work.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 03:14 AM
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It just looks like luxury Ford. It doesnt work, it wont work.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 04:35 AM
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Well as expected they took a cool concept and made it a Camry. Bleh.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 04:39 AM
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Ford can't make a luxurious dash to save their lives. The rest of the car is nice though.
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 06:02 AM
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Ford can't make a luxurious dash to save their lives. The rest of the car is nice though.
even that looks a lot like someone tried to luxurify Fusion, doesnt it?
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Old Jan 12, 2016 | 10:16 AM
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It is nice, but could be nicer. A 400hp V6 seems palpable
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