2015 Camry, commentary
the previous camry was very bland, but they made the new one reach a new unique combination of bland AND ugly.
last model:
new model:
especially those 'stick out' fog lights.
i don't he said he wants it sporty, just a little more stylish and higher grade. the camry may be well bolted and glued together, but that doesn't make it attractive.
but it sells so well because of reliability, strong resale value, and repeat buyers.
yes, and a lot of people don't care about style whatsoever, but a lot do.
nothing wrong with online enthusiasts not liking a car not designed for them. 
me too, or a fusion, altima, mazda 6, etc.
i see what you did there, but i don't see anyone saying it's the worst car on the planet, just that, like you said, it could be better.
what do you base stating an accord isn't as well built as a camry on?
really? also, not dealers fault, but in the southeast toyota doesn't even deal with them directly causing limited selection, extra fees and little negotiation.
'better' has many dimensions, but being mind-numbingly boring generally isn't better for those on Car Chat. 
last model:
new model:
especially those 'stick out' fog lights.
but it sells so well because of reliability, strong resale value, and repeat buyers.
They want spaciousness, ergonomics, durability, cost effectiveness, cheap insurance, cheap maintenance, cheap starting price, and ease of use.
Except WHEN YOU GET PAST THE FLUFF outside of the Accord they are not as well built
Not to mention the Toyota dealer network is still one of the best.
I think many are confusing more stylish for a better car.
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I can only comment based on looks - i have not driven myself or been driven in any Camry that i can recall. I have sat inside 1 at an auto show.
Last gen was decent looking esp after the refresh it got LED tails and SE version was nice.
Current gen is downright hideous - so many awkward angles.
Surprisingly the midsize class has many nice designs Imo - i really like the Kia Optima, Mazda6, Fusion, and VW Passat.
My favorite is the new Accord in Sport trim - looks great in person!
Last gen was decent looking esp after the refresh it got LED tails and SE version was nice.
Current gen is downright hideous - so many awkward angles.
Surprisingly the midsize class has many nice designs Imo - i really like the Kia Optima, Mazda6, Fusion, and VW Passat.
My favorite is the new Accord in Sport trim - looks great in person!
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In fact, Camry was one of the first cars that Toyota PR pushed as tested and vetted by Akio himself.
What Toyoda is saying is that Toyota should always do better and always strive to build even better cars.
What i am saying is:
- Camry is the best selling Toyota and best selling passenger car despite the competition
- We go through this whenever new Camry is due.
- Toyota is best selling brand in the world.
- 2013 Toyota's record sales year in the history of the company and automotive world
- 2013 Toyota's record profits in the history of the company and automotive world
Now I have to defend my opinion by also saying I would never buy a Camry for myself. Ever. I wouldnt have bought any year Camry, ever.
But that doesnt have anything to do with the above. I also wouldnt buy any Subaru and yet Subaru sells like crazy and their increase of sales is unbelievable. So my personal car prefference has nothing to do with how successful the Camry is. I am not sure I should be the target buyer for the car that sells the most to 55 yr female from California.
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Back when 2012 Camry was introduced, it beat Accord and Fusion and Altima and Mazda 6 in most if not every test. It tied for VW Passat only (and Passat is now selling horribly).
Of course, now we have new Accord, new Fusion, new Altima and new Mazda 6.
But certainly it doesnt look that bad, and everyone back in 2011 said that it is way better than 2010 model, especially interior.
Here is nice pic of SE, real life dealer pic, no photoshop.
Of course, now we have new Accord, new Fusion, new Altima and new Mazda 6.
But certainly it doesnt look that bad, and everyone back in 2011 said that it is way better than 2010 model, especially interior.
Here is nice pic of SE, real life dealer pic, no photoshop.
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It's a top of the line CR-V CUV.A not bad one at that.It's ok..
It's the wife's choice of vehicle.A Honda that bites you.
A sedan should have a nicer design than that of the so ugly in and out cost cut Camry.
Styling is subjective but what sedan in it's class is the Camry style nicer than to you?Maybe the Passat?
Maybe you should try and convince Akio in a email or phone call to stay the course on the present Camry design. 
It's the wife's choice of vehicle.A Honda that bites you.
A sedan should have a nicer design than that of the so ugly in and out cost cut Camry.
Styling is subjective but what sedan in it's class is the Camry style nicer than to you?Maybe the Passat?
Maybe you should try and convince Akio in a email or phone call to stay the course on the present Camry design.
No one here has ever said the Camry is some amazing class leader, the best looking or even best in class. What people are saying is its still very solid, has no major flaws and clearly sells in droves.
Somehow that is a bad thing for the Camry but okay for other cars.
I never shared my review but its funny to see people basing their opinions solely on STYLE. I like style like many people but its not the only reason for purchase.
Don't confuse people with logins with enthusiasts. Big difference.
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The problem Camry now has is that it really doesn't exceed its competitors in any meaningful way. In fact it now trails a good number if them is some key area, fit and finish being one of them. I've been in several and I think I have to actually classify the interior feel as pretty low-rent. On the other hand, the Accord for one example, feels like a whole class above it
The guy next door has a 2012 hybrid LE model. I don't like the way it drives at all. When you go over a bump you can really feel it. I had a 2010 for a rental, and I think it drives than the new model.
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I own a 2012 camry. Is it the best car in the class? IMHO, no. Do i trust it the most? Yes. Test drove a sonata, wasnt impressed, so I went camry again. Would i be happier if I had waited for Accord? Probably but I don't think about it anymore. It does everything I want very well.
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I own a 2012 camry. Is it the best car in the class? IMHO, no. Do i trust it the most? Yes. Test drove a sonata, wasnt impressed, so I went camry again. Would i be happier if I had waited for Accord? Probably but I don't think about it anymore. It does everything I want very well.
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The problem Camry now has is that it really doesn't exceed its competitors in any meaningful way. In fact it now trails a good number if them is some key area, fit and finish being one of them. I've been in several and I think I have to actually classify the interior feel as pretty low-rent. On the other hand, the Accord for one example, feels like a whole class above it
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The problem Camry now has is that it really doesn't exceed its competitors in any meaningful way. In fact it now trails a good number if them is some key area, fit and finish being one of them. I've been in several and I think I have to actually classify the interior feel as pretty low-rent. On the other hand, the Accord for one example, feels like a whole class above it
http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveo...-cars/4192281/
The Hyundai and Kia don't get advertised MPG, now owners sued to get compensation and their ratings are lowered. Sales are down.
Ford quality isn't great compared to the Camry.
I think we can all agree the Accord is best in class and so good it makes Acura redundant. I'm happy with Toyota/Lexus not having that problem.
Maybe just maybe people like the Camry b/c its not trying to be something it isn't. Its an honest car and surely the new one will be improved.
Considering how much better the competition has gotten, the Camry still is #1 in sales. When the Camry does well in reviews, the internetz come up with every reason why it still sucks.
The Camry is a problem any company would love to have.
I own a 2012 camry. Is it the best car in the class? IMHO, no. Do i trust it the most? Yes. Test drove a sonata, wasnt impressed, so I went camry again. Would i be happier if I had waited for Accord? Probably but I don't think about it anymore. It does everything I want very well.
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Sure, but Toyota also had its own problems and you say Camry sucks... Yet Camry sold 200,0000 more than Sonata.
3 years ago, here in this forum, people were saying how Sonata will take over Camry, possibly in 2012. Last year, people were predicting how Fusion will take over Camry.
All that happened was Camry selling even more and both Ford and Hyundai having huge fleet sales... Hyundai does 2x more fleet than Toyota and Ford does 3x more fleet than Toyota.
But once again, I personally would not buy Camry ever for myself. I would buy it for my wife though.
However, Camry has huge following of people who buy them, and they are not car enthusiasts. If they made Camry like Mazda 6, their sales would tank, even if I personally preffer Mazda 6.
So what I am saying is that people are confusing their personal preferences with market preferences. Next Camry will be "good" for 2014, just like this one was good in 2011, and then 2-3 years later, we will have another thread like this where people will say it sucks big time and it needs to change or Hyundai/Ford/Honda will overtake it.
3 years ago, here in this forum, people were saying how Sonata will take over Camry, possibly in 2012. Last year, people were predicting how Fusion will take over Camry.
All that happened was Camry selling even more and both Ford and Hyundai having huge fleet sales... Hyundai does 2x more fleet than Toyota and Ford does 3x more fleet than Toyota.
But once again, I personally would not buy Camry ever for myself. I would buy it for my wife though.
However, Camry has huge following of people who buy them, and they are not car enthusiasts. If they made Camry like Mazda 6, their sales would tank, even if I personally preffer Mazda 6.
So what I am saying is that people are confusing their personal preferences with market preferences. Next Camry will be "good" for 2014, just like this one was good in 2011, and then 2-3 years later, we will have another thread like this where people will say it sucks big time and it needs to change or Hyundai/Ford/Honda will overtake it.
camry buyers buy camry even if it looks like a dog crap. just like civic and accord buyers. if camry looks great it's a huge plus. there is a reason why they are bringing this up. it never hurts to improve.
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camry always sold well. that's not the issue here. if sales # are only priority then why even bother trying? that's what happened to corolla for longest time and toyota finally did something about it. and why even bring up sonata? sonata never was a best seller. as far as sales goes they were always middle of the road. they don't even have a capacity to make more than 300k sonatasper year.
camry buyers buy camry even if it looks like a dog crap. just like civic and accord buyers. if camry looks great it's a huge plus. there is a reason why they are bringing this up. it never hurts to improve.
camry buyers buy camry even if it looks like a dog crap. just like civic and accord buyers. if camry looks great it's a huge plus. there is a reason why they are bringing this up. it never hurts to improve.
Sales are the MAIN PRIORITY, its a BUSINESS.
It seems the entire class was pretty forgettable in looks and the others tried to beat the Camry by offering more stylish looks. It didn't work, the Camry is still #1. The consumer has won as the mid-size class now has some stylish options for the average buyer, something that was unthinkable 20 years ago.
The Sonata sales ARE DOWN. So the capacity is there. Their FLEET SALES skyrocketed. So seems style is not the main factor for sales. Maybe not lying about your MPG could be a hint. Stop making excuses for Hyundai and then bashing Toyota who obviously offers a product more people want.