2015 Camry, commentary
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Not sure what exactly are you questioning, Civic facelift was maybe year soon but it didnt change the car dramatically... they added a lot of chrome and changed 2-3 materials and colors. Of course they PR'd the heck out of it, just like Toyota will PR this.
Also, Camry is the best selling car on the market, just got rated best quality car in the class and obviously Toyota is very profitable company so Camry brings them profits. Not sure why hasnt it been satisfactory?
Also, Camry is the best selling car on the market, just got rated best quality car in the class and obviously Toyota is very profitable company so Camry brings them profits. Not sure why hasnt it been satisfactory?
You refuse to objectively see that, by already insinuating by comparison that Honda made insignificant changes to their Civic, when that isn't the case even. I wouldn't have objected to that, if your "chrome, colors, and 2-3 materials" comment didn't match up to the actual level of changes. Moderate sheetmetal alterations took place, which still requires lead time for retooling, no matter how minor. One could say that the rear end of the 2011-2012(MY2012) Civic is quite similar to the 2001-2004 Camry, which received equally moderate by comparison changes in 2004(-06), as did the 2009-2011 facelift.
Just because it sells well, doesn't automatically make it a truly quality vehicle against the competition. The same story with the 2012 Civic, which is only comparable in regards to the automotive media and enthusiasts highlighting low points.
I'd like to see where and how it was stated that the current Camry was "best" in its class aside from J.D. Power's misapplication. I recognize and respect that Toyota justifiably couldn't do the same, as the time period to commence such work was during the 2011 Japanese natural disasters. They were even lucky enough to get the 2012 model launched in time.
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From: Cali
The most interesting part about cars in this segment is... the controversy.
Every time I see a new Passat, I mistake it for a Chevy. They should all be painted white with the word "CAR" stenciled on the side in blue, block letters. The most generic car out there. Like buying beer that says "BEER" on the can.
I don't mind the Camry, particularly in SE trim. Even the factory wheels are decent.
The Accord is the classiest and most desireable car in this segment, to me. My parents bought a '13 EX-L V6 and it's quite a nice car. Excellent bang-for-the buck for the $30K price.
The people who are complaining the loudest probably would not buy any of these cars anyway.
Every time I see a new Passat, I mistake it for a Chevy. They should all be painted white with the word "CAR" stenciled on the side in blue, block letters. The most generic car out there. Like buying beer that says "BEER" on the can.
I don't mind the Camry, particularly in SE trim. Even the factory wheels are decent.
The Accord is the classiest and most desireable car in this segment, to me. My parents bought a '13 EX-L V6 and it's quite a nice car. Excellent bang-for-the buck for the $30K price.
The people who are complaining the loudest probably would not buy any of these cars anyway.
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The most interesting part about cars in this segment is... the controversy.
Every time I see a new Passat, I mistake it for a Chevy. They should all be painted white with the word "CAR" stenciled on the side in blue, block letters. The most generic car out there. Like buying beer that says "BEER" on the can.
I don't mind the Camry, particularly in SE trim. Even the factory wheels are decent.
The Accord is the classiest and most desireable car in this segment, to me. My parents bought a '13 EX-L V6 and it's quite a nice car. Excellent bang-for-the buck for the $30K price.
The people who are complaining the loudest probably would not buy any of these cars anyway.
Every time I see a new Passat, I mistake it for a Chevy. They should all be painted white with the word "CAR" stenciled on the side in blue, block letters. The most generic car out there. Like buying beer that says "BEER" on the can.
I don't mind the Camry, particularly in SE trim. Even the factory wheels are decent.
The Accord is the classiest and most desireable car in this segment, to me. My parents bought a '13 EX-L V6 and it's quite a nice car. Excellent bang-for-the buck for the $30K price.
The people who are complaining the loudest probably would not buy any of these cars anyway.
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Just because it sells well, doesn't automatically make it a truly quality vehicle against the competition. The same story with the 2012 Civic, which is only comparable in regards to the automotive media and enthusiasts highlighting low points.
I'd like to see where and how it was stated that the current Camry was "best" in its class aside from J.D. Power's misapplication. I recognize and respect that Toyota justifiably couldn't do the same, as the time period to commence such work was during the 2011 Japanese natural disasters. They were even lucky enough to get the 2012 model launched in time.
I'd like to see where and how it was stated that the current Camry was "best" in its class aside from J.D. Power's misapplication. I recognize and respect that Toyota justifiably couldn't do the same, as the time period to commence such work was during the 2011 Japanese natural disasters. They were even lucky enough to get the 2012 model launched in time.
If you think this is major change when it comes to Civic, power to you. Front they barely changed, they changed back a bit and profile is exactly the same with new wheels.
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From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
That was the idea. VW wanted it to appeal to mainstream American buyers, as past ones generally didn't. And, yes, it is working. The mistake-for-a-Chevy Passat is selling. 
And, while we're on the subject of Chevy, take a new 2014 Impala out for a spin (preferably with the V6). It is NOTHING like the previous ho-hum, rental-grade Impalas it replaces. Consumer Reports didn't give it a 95 out of 100 rating on its road test for nothing. I reviewed one myself and was stunned with its chassis engineering.
And, while we're on the subject of Chevy, take a new 2014 Impala out for a spin (preferably with the V6). It is NOTHING like the previous ho-hum, rental-grade Impalas it replaces. Consumer Reports didn't give it a 95 out of 100 rating on its road test for nothing.
I reviewed one myself and was stunned with its chassis engineering.
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From: ca
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I am afraid you have no idea what you are talking about.
By "elegant looking" and "german made perfect balance" are you referring to the cheap plastic rim, window trim, plus the 1980's dash and below-the-bar build quality of the interior?
Oh, you must also be a fan of the 2.5L iron block engine which is very 90ish and nothing-to-mention MPG of your german favorite vanilla?
OK, maybe you are willing to spend more $$ on the WOLFSBURG ED or SE but I have to tell you it is still cheap, very cheaply made and looks.
It's simply not the best vanilla, but at least it is cheap, for the price you paid and what you got.
By "elegant looking" and "german made perfect balance" are you referring to the cheap plastic rim, window trim, plus the 1980's dash and below-the-bar build quality of the interior?
Oh, you must also be a fan of the 2.5L iron block engine which is very 90ish and nothing-to-mention MPG of your german favorite vanilla?
OK, maybe you are willing to spend more $$ on the WOLFSBURG ED or SE but I have to tell you it is still cheap, very cheaply made and looks.
It's simply not the best vanilla, but at least it is cheap, for the price you paid and what you got.
i agree. Accord is bland. but it's a good bland. it's one of the better looking family sedan. i'll take accord over camry anytime anyday. hell, i'll take accord over passat too. better ride, reliability, and better interior. only thing i like about passat's interior is the huge rear seat.
i repeatedly said Passat is a better vanilla of the two.I find Passat a safe german design that works on many angles. it looks bit more 'dressed up' than camry. and it just feels bit more substantial exterior wise. i'm aware that Passat didn't raise the level. it's probably not the best looking offering. (IMO, mazda6 is). but it's has a good balance of vanilla/elegance. my problem with passat is its lazy interior and so-so quality.
on the other hand camry isn't just a vanilla. i Camry IMO has many issues.
-it's proportion makes it look smaller
-wedge shape isn't for everyone. just funky looking. compare that to passat's hoffmeister kink
- front is tad busy
- rear 3/4 looks off - it looks like it's a compact sedan
am i really bashing toyota? I find Avalon & Corolla very handsome. those 2 are among leaders in their classes. I hate Rav4. but I like highlander. Tundra to me is the best looking truck. I hate scion TC, but i love FRS. so on.
I'm always about product vs. product. as far as family sedan goes Camry is one of the weakest link in terms of design both interior and exterior IMO. I see Mazda6 park next to Camry every day. Mazda6 is making camry look very old and weary. but IMO passat holds its own against mazda6. passat has that safe/elegant/understated appeal to it. but of course, interior is rather cheap and dated.
i repeatedly said Passat is a better vanilla of the two.I find Passat a safe german design that works on many angles. it looks bit more 'dressed up' than camry. and it just feels bit more substantial exterior wise. i'm aware that Passat didn't raise the level. it's probably not the best looking offering. (IMO, mazda6 is). but it's has a good balance of vanilla/elegance. my problem with passat is its lazy interior and so-so quality.
on the other hand camry isn't just a vanilla. i Camry IMO has many issues.
-it's proportion makes it look smaller
-wedge shape isn't for everyone. just funky looking. compare that to passat's hoffmeister kink
- front is tad busy
- rear 3/4 looks off - it looks like it's a compact sedan
am i really bashing toyota? I find Avalon & Corolla very handsome. those 2 are among leaders in their classes. I hate Rav4. but I like highlander. Tundra to me is the best looking truck. I hate scion TC, but i love FRS. so on.
I'm always about product vs. product. as far as family sedan goes Camry is one of the weakest link in terms of design both interior and exterior IMO. I see Mazda6 park next to Camry every day. Mazda6 is making camry look very old and weary. but IMO passat holds its own against mazda6. passat has that safe/elegant/understated appeal to it. but of course, interior is rather cheap and dated.
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