i dont think it is supposed to be sports sedan :-). CLA looks far sportier.

I read the preview in Autobild and they said that interior quality is on part with A4 (i guess they consider A4 as top of the class) and some controls are from S class... while glove box has some tiny opening and is completely unusable, they also questioned how much will their top model be and how will the interior in cheap models feel like.

 

I'm sure the C400 will cost well into ISF territory.

So Lexus is still winning the HP war in that regard!

 

Wow your quick to conclusions. How exactly does is it win in that regard?

The 400 will be priced along the lines of the s4/5 3/435i.

 

Are u serious?????? LOL
Must be jk.

ISF competes with C63 AMG which u can currently get with 507hp.

The standard model engines for all Lexus models are greatly underpowered and OLD.

 

Interesting since the IS 250 has more HP than a base 320 and C250 and is only 6 short of the A4 with its all new I-4 with CVT transmission.

Also it seems the RC F will have more stock for stock HP over the M3/M4 (before you scream OMG YOU CAN TUNE ENGINE THO)

Didn't realizing the 3.5 V-6 was greatly underpowered either since its just as fast/faster than most anything not BMW.

Lexus hybrids also lead the pack in regards to real MPG and HP.

But hey..lets come to CL to continue to preach blanket statements.

 

Yes ur correct Lexus God!

All Lexus engines are awesome my bad.
So what if they have lowest hp/tq #s in their class and most are mated to antiquated 6speed Autos.
Yes if u want AWD on ur Lexus folks only 6speed is avail. Lol

Caddy, MB, jag, BMW, Audi all offer way more powerful engines compared to Lexus sedan models.
Dont get me started on the Perf models of those makes....Lexus has no answer!

RC-f will be great hopefully. Only negative is the lack of a DCT. Its the only Lexus that has provide ANY excitement since 2GS not including LFA.

Not sure what BMW is doing with //M these days.

 

Without starting another engine debate, point was that to achieve parity Lexus has to fight fire with fire. IS350 is the best handling car in its segment.. Great news. Suddenly no one cares and folks change their tune, now it's about numbers and straight line performance once again. Even with proven handling accolades that silenced the naysayers, Lexus is still at a disadvantage because their next generation powertrains are still on the horizon rather than in current engine bays. Meanwhile a slew of FI 3.0L 6's from the competiton runs rampant and have set a new bar for standard hp and torque per certain vehicle classes. The DI 3.5 had a good run, but the turbo future I reported a few months ago can't come soon enough.

 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11312226...th-v8-40-liter

 

This is regal:



The C-class rear is neither regal nor sporty IMO

 

Thanks for the sarcasm, simply once again trying to stop misinformation from being spread. Nowhere did I say all Lexus engines are awesome.You seem to love harping on Lexus here on a Lexus forum and now every brand has better engines than Lexus. Got it. We are well aware that Lexus has opportunities with older engines. Yet they are not recognized for leading with Hybrids and how people harped how dumb the LFA was.

Lack of a DCT, that is personal preference. Some DCT's are not great either and they provide a quick shift but also less emotional almost CVT like in nature. The Lexus 8 speed is strong, fast and provides some feedback.

I'm glad you posted to YOU that the only Lexus to provide any excitement is the 2GS and LFA. Considering the GS and GS F-sport is considered sportier and more fun than your vehicle, I can only assume you might not like fun so you might not understand the new Lexus cars. Thanks for telling the countless enthusiasts here that you find their vehicles utterly dull.

Now how about we talk about how awesome the new C-class is.

 

Having ridden and driven my friends 2010 M3 - i can say it's DCT is far and away the total opposite of a CVT. Drive slow or bat out of hell it definitely opened my eyes. And i would love to have one like it, I'm sure the M3/M4 DCT will be just as good or better.

The BMW 8 speed Auto is also as good as you can get. Very responsive and fast shifting. I have no doubt the Lexus 8speed is not much different so not really a loss.

 

DCT is totally awesome and nothing at all like CVT.

8 speed in IS-F is also excellent due to great software. and GS (RWD) now has the 8 speed.

lexus has excellent engines - anyone who thinks otherwise is just jaded because they haven't changed in a good while. it's definitely weak that the GS only has one engine (plus the rare hybrid), and it's also true they've only done one 'hot' engine recently (IS-F) and that's many years ago. that is besides the rare LFA of course. no doubt lexus is well aware of this, and we know there's lots of stuff in the works, including, at last, turbos...

 

Stop confusing people with facts!!!

 

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am very clear that a DCT is not like a CVT, I am saying they (a DCT) are very smooth like a CVT in how it shifts, especially the new ones, very slick and many reviewers have stated while fast, they take away a lot of feeling from the drive.

In no way shape or form am I saying they are alike outside of smoothness especially compared to a more conventional transmission.

Thus the term different strokes for different folks...

 

DCTs are the opposite of smooth. Around town and when accelerating from stop they're clunky and very jerky. It makes sense since they actually have 2 clutches which are constantly engaging & dis engaging.

They're also unreliable due to the huge amount of heat generated by the clutches which fries the hydra-electric actuators.