Infiniti Q50 thread
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GS's system is much better and yes it does yield what the sticker says. Unfortunatley the car is just overpriced. If it was say a 2 grand premium over a GS350 like a ES350/ES300h or even up to around a 5 grand premium like the RX350/RX450h that would be fathomable. But 12 grand?! Average MSRP is $70K on the GS450h vs $57K F-Sport or $58K Luxury. They'd be smart to lower the price, they'd sell more and help make the GS a more viable line.
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The LS600hL is not supposed to be an efficiency hybrid anyway so it is not about the gas mileage. I average about 21-22 with normal driving and 27-28 on highway trips not that those numbers are all that impressive but it is one heavy beast. However you are right, not sure how anyone can justify the price increase over a loaded LS460L.
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Same class yes but again the powerplant is the variable. The Germans are cheaper because of the mill under the hood. They are more fuel efficient because the mill under the hood. They are less powerful because of the mill under the hood. The difference is the LS is a performance hybrid whereas the Germans are fuel efficient hybrids (to a point). Again when you see a LS450h hybrid then you will have a direct comparison between hybrid flagships. Point in case the LS600hL is the pinnacle of LS's. The MBZ S65 AMG is the pinnacle of S-Classes - totally different.
The LS600hL is in a class of its own literally, and carved itself a niche no one else wants to or has attempted to play in.
The LS600hL is in a class of its own literally, and carved itself a niche no one else wants to or has attempted to play in.
patgilm has been critical of the 600hL's weight and pricing structure in the past on this forum, so I'd lay off the "excuse" accusations.
Plus, the simple reality is that all cars have to be taken for what they are - not only the totality of what the car offers, but what purpose the car is intended to serve. In the same way, I'm sure that people often point out the S65 has absolutely no real-world performance increase over an S63 either despite being far more expensive; it's not an excuse to point out that the S65 is the S-class flagship, has a V12, has a far better interior, etc. etc.
My IS has been rock solid *knocks on wood*, the only issues I've had are all self inflicted by any modding I've done to the car
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The LS 600hL definitely had V12 performance at release - the last non-FI 760i/iL, which was only one MY before the 600hL, had 438hp. And MB's last non-FI V12 S-class only made 360ish hp! It wasn't until MB/BMW got into these ridiculous hp wars and starting turbocharging all their V12s that those hp numbers really started going up.
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have they seen what many infiniti owners do to their cars. I would say they are modified more than any other Japanese luxury brand. Acura is a joke, Lexus has relatively few owners modifying since there is so little after market support (and since the average age of a Lexus owner is about 17 years older than an Infiniti owner), BUT Infiniti has a ton of support, especially since the last two gen Gs were basically 4 door 350/370 Zs.
owners may modify the cars, but manufacturers aren't obliged to fix problems arising from those mods. i love many aftermarket setups that give amazing looks and handling capabilities, but if they end up harming factory components of the car, i don't think the manufacturer should have to pay. while some modders really know what they're doing, a lot don't or don't have the funds to do it right. heavy crap wheels on a stock suspension can wreak havoc not only with suspension, but brakes, steering, etc.
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I for one think the modifying a car is fun but a big waste of money.. My first car was a ACURA CL type-S with comptech headers, exhaust, intake, shocks springs , everything.. big brake kit.. at the end of the day I sold it for less then my big brake kit cost me... I just lease and give it back no mods and 80% of Americans do the same so I don't know what everyone is making a big deal about this modding thing.. You look in and car manual and they say that same things "non oem components might f up your car".. so what.. The car is going to be one sick car with the hybrid setup... Infiniti will be doing alot of exciting things in the next 5 years...
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yeah, i saw those pics... interior design does look dated, a lot... it is as if they designed it by the book - someone gave them a list of what features it should have but didnt include to make it look exciting on the list.
It is very Nissan way of doing things, if you look at the specs and paper features, it is amazing... And it all goes downhill after that.
It is very Nissan way of doing things, if you look at the specs and paper features, it is amazing... And it all goes downhill after that.
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I for one think the modifying a car is fun but a big waste of money.. My first car was a ACURA CL type-S with comptech headers, exhaust, intake, shocks springs , everything.. big brake kit.. at the end of the day I sold it for less then my big brake kit cost me... I just lease and give it back no mods and 80% of Americans do the same so I don't know what everyone is making a big deal about this modding thing.. You look in and car manual and they say that same things "non oem components might f up your car".. so what.. The car is going to be one sick car with the hybrid setup... Infiniti will be doing alot of exciting things in the next 5 years...
And that interior does looked dated, now I am leaning back towards another Lexus as my next car especially after the Coupe spy pics.
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I disagree. The interior reminds me of current cadillac.
THIS is a 10 year old g35 interior. Put your biases aside for a second. You're saying it looks this dated?
It's certainly a big improvement compared to the current one.
THIS is a 10 year old g35 interior. Put your biases aside for a second. You're saying it looks this dated?
It's certainly a big improvement compared to the current one.
Last edited by pman6; Jul 16, 2013 at 03:28 PM.
