But a heavily discounted S-class is still more expensive than the 7-series or the LS.

 

Not completely true. Both 7 and S are more expensive than the LS. The bulk of the S class sales are the S550 4matic that competes with the 750Li xdrive. $1,500 separates both vehicles before discounts.

 

Also a S class and LS damn near lease the same, LS leases are horrid most of the time.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...ling-cars.html

 

Since I disagreed with another poster on where certain cars should be categorized on these sales lists, I decided to put together my own as suggested based on price/size/class. Also added some models that are usually left off of these lists for some reason (from Jaguar, Porsche, etc)


Flagship

1. Model S - 2,100 (Tesla)
2. S Class - 1,103 (MB)
3. 7 Series - 871 (BMW)
4. LS - 700 (Lexus)
5. Panamera - 501 (Porsche)
6. A8 - 467 (Audi)
7. XJ - 323 (Jaguar)
8. Equus - 261 (Hyundai)


Executive Class

1. 5 Series - 5,234 (BMW)
2. E Class - 4,431 (MB)
3. XTS - 2,891 (Cadillac)
4. A6/A7 - 2,550 (Audi)
5. GS - 1,236 (Lexus)
6. MKS - 730 (Lincoln)
7. XF - 709 (Jaguar)
8. RL/RLX - 407 (Acura)
9. M - 388 (Infiniti)


Entry Level (midsize)

1. ES - 5,122 (Lexus)
2. MKZ - 4,012 (Lincoln)
3. G37 - 3,490 (Infiniti)
4. TL - 2,959 (Acura)
5. Genesis - 2,584 (Hyundai)
6. CTS - 2,398 (Cadillac)
7. S80 - 123 (Volvo)


Entry Level (compact)

1. 3 Series - 8,236 (BMW)
2. C-Class - 7,338 (MB)
3. A4/A5 - 5,425 (Audi)
4. ATS - 2,725 (Cadillac)
5. IS - 1,797 (Lexus)
6. S60 - 1,547 (Volvo)
7. C70 - 224 (Volvo)


Premium/Near Luxury (large)

1. Impala - 10,943 (Chevrolet)
2. Charger - 7,801 (Dodge)
3. Taurus - 5,887 (Ford)
4. 300 - 4,120 (Chrysler)


Premium/Near Luxury (midsize)

1. Avalon - 6,321 (Toyota)
2. Lacrosse - 4,307 (Buick)
3. Maxima - 2,678 (Nissan)
4. Regal - 1,746 (Buick)
5. Azera - 1,409 (Hyundai)


Premium/Near Luxury (compact)

1. Verano - 3,391 (Buick)
2. ILX - 1,894 (Acura)
3. TSX - 1,622 (Acura)


SUV (Flagship/Standard Size)

1. GL-Class – 2,481 (MB)
2. Escalade – 1,737 (Cadillac)
3. Range Rover Sport – 1,305 (Land Rover)
4. QX56 - 747 (Infiniti)
5. Navigator - 680 (Lincoln)
6. Range Rover - 674 (Land Rover)
7. LX570 - 351 (Lexus)


SUV (Standard Size)

1. X5 – 3,444 (BMW)
2. M-Class – 3,280 (MB)
3. Cayenne – 1,750 (Porsche)
4. Q7 – 1,183 (Audi)
5. GX460 - 655 (Lexus)
6. LR4 – 588 (Land Rover)
7. X6 - 354 (BMW)


SUV (Midsize/Crossover)

1. RX – 7,053 (Lexus)
2. Enclave - 4797 (Buick)
3. SRX – 3,478 (Cadillac)
4. MDX – 2,877 (Acura)
5. JX – 2,580 (Infiniti)
6. MKX – 1,740 (Lincoln)
7. FX - 548 (Infiniti)
8. XC-90 - 492 (Volvo)
9. MKT - 453 (Lincoln)
10. LR2 - 144 (Land Rover)


SUV (Compact)

1. RDX – 4,088 (Acura)
2. Q5 – 3,241 (Audi)
3. GLK – 2,702 (MB)
4. X3 – 1,914 (BMW)
5. XC60 – 1,455 (Volvo)
6. Range Rover Evoque - 832 (Land Rover)
7. XC70 – 439 (Volvo)


SUV (Wagon/Sub-Compact/Hatch)

1. X1 – 1,556 (BMW)
2. CT – 1,171 (Lexus)
3. Allroad - 468 (Audi)
4. EX - 91 (Infiniti)

 

Hey sens, those Lincoln MKZ numbers are pretty good! With all the bad rap it's getting i would've expected a lower number.

It is keeping up with the LaCrosse, and almost caught up with ES in April.

 

The MKZ is doing well, but the Cadillac XTS is doing very well. Considering it's their most expensive sedan, it's impressive that it's also currently their best selling sedan

 

It starts at 42k ends at 60k. It is not their most expensive sedan the CTS-V is. Please check your posts before posting misinformation.

FYI, new cars should sell better than old cars.

 

The XTS starts at 44k and goes up to 64k http://www.cadillac.com/xts-luxury-sedan.html
And yea, the CTS-V is a high performance variant of their midsize entry level sedan. It's a niche model. I wasn't talking niche models. I was talking regular models here

Wow, what an overgeneralized statement. That's like saying the new GS should sell better than the outgoing IS. It doesn't and it hasn't.

The fact that the XTS is the most expensive sedan that Cadillac offers (outside of the niche CTS-V of course), says a lot about how well the XTS has been received. That would be the same as the GS outselling the ES & IS. It's pretty amazing. Obviously Cadillac has hit a homerun with the XTS

 

Great to see Caddy XTS doing well I was impressed my the interior quality, when I test drove one.

Looking forward to the new CTS and a true flagship eventually.

 

I know its CL, but sometimes its ok to say positive things about other nameplates.

 

Then say that. Otherwise it's wrong. Not sure what your harping on the GS has to do with anything, you want one?


What on earth is this? Stop selective reading and posting. The XTS is solid and the CTS-V is awesome. Don't make a blanket statement bout CL again.

 

My post was not wrong, it was crystal clear. No one was talking about high performance niche variants of entry level models

Simple. The GS is a more expensive sedan than the IS or ES, the same way the XTS is a more expensive sedan than the CTS. The XTS outselling its less expensive sibling (the CTS) would be the same as the GS outselling the IS or ES. Again, it is impressive that Cadillac's most expensive sedan is also their highest selling sedan in April.

Nah. But if I was in the market, I would probably go with the Infiniti M Hybrid

 

You said the XTS is their most expensive car. IT IS NOT. Period, end of discussion. Everything else stated is trying to mask the point.

You nor anyone has ANY IDEA what thr XTS average selling price is. It could be below the CTS. We don't know since they are priced so similar.

Thus my original point of stop spreading misinformation, say "you think" or "it might be possible"

 

XTS MSRP: 44k-64k
CTS MSRP: 39k-59k

So as I said, XTS is Cadillac's most expensive sedan. Even Cadillac has the CTS-V separated on their website as a niche model, yet you think you got it right and Cadillac got it wrong?

5k difference is not "priced so similar". And yet another overgeneralized statement which could apply to any vehicle from any brand. Let me put it this way, Cadillac has positioned the XTS above the CTS and the XTS also has a higher MSRP than the CTS. It also outsold the CTS in the month of April. My point remains.

Spreading misinformation? It's as clear as can be. Numbers don't lie. But for the sake of being just as ludicrous as your above statement, I'll say that I think it might just be possible that the XTS sedan (which has a higher MSRP aka more expensive and is positioned higher than the CTS) outsold the CTS based on the fact that the numbers on GM's sales chart for the month of April show a higher number next to the XTS

 

Total Entry Level/Executive/Flagship Sedan/Coupe Luxury Sales (does not include sub-entry level)

1. BMW – 14,341
2. MB - 12,872
3. Lexus – 8,855
4. Audi – 8,442
5. Cadillac – 8,014
6. Lincoln – 4,742
7. Infiniti – 3,878
8. Acura – 3,366
9. Hyundai – 2,845
10. Volvo – 1,894
11. Jaguar – 1,032
12. Porsche – 501