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03-31-13, 11:23 PM
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If i am not mistaken, the first IS was talked about not being up to par for a sport sedan. Then the IS F came. Then it was criticized for being too harsh. When it was numbed a bit, people complained it was numbed too much.
Maybe there is no middle ground for Lexus. Lol, jokes of course.
Maybe there is no middle ground for Lexus. Lol, jokes of course.
03-31-13, 11:36 PM
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If i am not mistaken, the first IS was talked about not being up to par for a sport sedan. Then the IS F came. Then it was criticized for being too harsh. When it was numbed a bit, people complained it was numbed too much.
Maybe there is no middle ground for Lexus. Lol, jokes of course.
Maybe there is no middle ground for Lexus. Lol, jokes of course.
04-01-13, 01:08 AM
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Actually, the first generation IS was judged to be the equal or superior to the then BMW 3 series in terms of handling and steering.
It was the second generation IS that became softer and less direct in steering and chassis response.
Talking about a palatable middle ground, IMO, the GS450h with adaptive suspension is the most complete sedan at the moment in terms of mixing luxury with sport.
It was the second generation IS that became softer and less direct in steering and chassis response.
Talking about a palatable middle ground, IMO, the GS450h with adaptive suspension is the most complete sedan at the moment in terms of mixing luxury with sport.
04-01-13, 09:52 AM
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Motortrend recently posted this in regards to the new CTS:
So no mention of the Germans anywhere. The irony is, even with the GS F-Sport beating out the Germans, and the new CTS also being something to watch out for, suddenly the GS will be too sporty
. Just watch, no one without a German badge will get a pass. Even when the Americans and Asians do it right, the Euro's still win, go figure . Hate the masses hah
So no mention of the Germans anywhere. The irony is, even with the GS F-Sport beating out the Germans, and the new CTS also being something to watch out for, suddenly the GS will be too sporty
. Just watch, no one without a German badge will get a pass. Even when the Americans and Asians do it right, the Euro's still win, go figure . Hate the masses hah
Actually, the first generation IS was judged to be the equal or superior to the then BMW 3 series in terms of handling and steering.
It was the second generation IS that became softer and less direct in steering and chassis response.
Talking about a palatable middle ground, IMO, the GS450h with adaptive suspension is the most complete sedan at the moment in terms of mixing luxury with sport.
It was the second generation IS that became softer and less direct in steering and chassis response.
Talking about a palatable middle ground, IMO, the GS450h with adaptive suspension is the most complete sedan at the moment in terms of mixing luxury with sport.
04-01-13, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by hoovey
most makes that don't have a pointed tri-star, prancing horse, raging bull, ferocious feline or any badge from the European continent
Originally Posted by blueprint
This is true, the first gen IS won a comparo in C&D for being the sportiest and most fun. The 2nd gen became a true Lexus inside but did become larger and less precise but still good, just not better than the 3 series.
04-01-13, 11:20 AM
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Not really. The 2Gen IS lost the no-cost, softer-riding/handling 16" wheel/55-series all-season tire option that the 1Gen model had (17" wheels and 45-series summer-tires were standard). I owned a 1Gen model with that option. With the 2Gen model, you were stuck with the larger wheels and 45-series, with no way out short of an aftermarket refit.
04-01-13, 11:23 AM
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Not really. The 2Gen IS lost the no-cost, softer-riding/handling 16" wheel/55-series all-season tire option that the 1Gen model had (17" wheels and 45-series summer-tires were standard). I owned a 1Gen model with that option. With the 2Gen model, you were stuck with the larger wheels and 45-series, with no way out short of an aftermarket refit.
04-01-13, 11:37 AM
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One thing I did notice on the 1IS, IMO, was more-solid parts inside the cabon. The 2IS did become more plush and Lexus-like inside, but that added plushness was also accompanied by a lot more plastic parts and the elimination of nice features like the chronograph-gauges and polished-metal-ball shifter (which I really liked).
04-01-13, 12:11 PM
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Motortrend recently posted this in regards to the new CTS:
So no mention of the Germans anywhere. The irony is, even with the GS F-Sport beating out the Germans, and the new CTS also being something to watch out for, suddenly the GS will be too sporty. Just watch, no one without a German badge will get a pass. Even when the Americans and Asians do it right, the Euro's still win, go figure . Hate the masses hah
So no mention of the Germans anywhere. The irony is, even with the GS F-Sport beating out the Germans, and the new CTS also being something to watch out for, suddenly the GS will be too sporty
. Just watch, no one without a German badge will get a pass. Even when the Americans and Asians do it right, the Euro's still win, go figure . Hate the masses hahso props to american mags
04-01-13, 06:32 PM
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i was reading german magazine other day and it was GS450h vs 535d... GS was not the F-Sport (base with base nav i think), while 535d had all possible performance options... Also GS450h managed to spend insane amount of fuel, while 535d was so efficient it seemed they have driven it in 8 gear all the time :-)
so props to american mags
so props to american mags
Agreed. Feels a norm may have been broken. still a long uphill battle
04-02-13, 06:50 AM
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The point I was making is that response on the 1IS (which I owned) depended, to some extent, on tires. That was not the case with the 2IS, which lost the softer-tire option.
One thing I did notice on the 1IS, IMO, was more-solid parts inside the cabon. The 2IS did become more plush and Lexus-like inside, but that added plushness was also accompanied by a lot more plastic parts and the elimination of nice features like the chronograph-gauges and polished-metal-ball shifter (which I really liked).
One thing I did notice on the 1IS, IMO, was more-solid parts inside the cabon. The 2IS did become more plush and Lexus-like inside, but that added plushness was also accompanied by a lot more plastic parts and the elimination of nice features like the chronograph-gauges and polished-metal-ball shifter (which I really liked).
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