Tada-san & Sasaki-san teases new Toyota Supra and sub 86 entry-level model
08-25-12, 07:53 PM
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TOYOTA GT86 ENGINEER: "CURRENT HYBRID TECHNOLOGY IS NOT GOOD FOR ROAD SPORTS CARS"; NEXT SUPRA FOREGOES HYBRID DRIVETRAIN
http://www.imotortimes.com/articles/...ology-good.htm
Speaking with Top Gear in an interview on the Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S, the GT86's chief engineer Tetsuya Tada dropped a tastey bit of information on the development of future Toyota sports car projects: "I think current hybrid technology is not good for road sports cars."
Weighing in at just over 2,600 lbs., the Toyota GT86 is characterized by its small footprint, lightness, and responsive chassis. When it comes to engineering a visceral driving experience, weight is the enemy. Mass alone compromises acceration, body control, center of gravity, and fuel efficiency as well.
So, as Tetsuya Tada admits the design limitations of hybrid drive, the chief engineer also reveals that the team back in Aichi, Japan, are continuing their work on sports car development. While Tetsuya was careful not to mention its name, he did confirm that the team intends for its "next sports car" to "make a big... 'wow.' I want to give the world a shock."
Ever the investigative journalists, Top Gear asks Tada quite bluntly whether the next sports car will be a Supra. Ever the politician, Tetsuya answers, "Of course, anything is possible."
Tetsuya's colleague and fellow GT86 engineer Yoshinori Sasaki said, "It'll be a different avenue of sports car from the GT86." Quite vocal on his thoughts, Yoshinori is adamant that this new Supra will use a pure gasoline drivetrain. Yoshinori also stresses the importance of retaining Supra's traditional front-engine rear-drive layout, "rear-engined, rear-driven cars - and even mid-ship designs - are OK. But if you want to make an enjoyable sports car, it should be front-engined, rear-drive."
If confirmed, the next Toyota sports car will likely be a BMW 6 Series-based coupe that Toyota is co-developing with the German automaker.
Weighing in at just over 2,600 lbs., the Toyota GT86 is characterized by its small footprint, lightness, and responsive chassis. When it comes to engineering a visceral driving experience, weight is the enemy. Mass alone compromises acceration, body control, center of gravity, and fuel efficiency as well.
So, as Tetsuya Tada admits the design limitations of hybrid drive, the chief engineer also reveals that the team back in Aichi, Japan, are continuing their work on sports car development. While Tetsuya was careful not to mention its name, he did confirm that the team intends for its "next sports car" to "make a big... 'wow.' I want to give the world a shock."
Ever the investigative journalists, Top Gear asks Tada quite bluntly whether the next sports car will be a Supra. Ever the politician, Tetsuya answers, "Of course, anything is possible."
Tetsuya's colleague and fellow GT86 engineer Yoshinori Sasaki said, "It'll be a different avenue of sports car from the GT86." Quite vocal on his thoughts, Yoshinori is adamant that this new Supra will use a pure gasoline drivetrain. Yoshinori also stresses the importance of retaining Supra's traditional front-engine rear-drive layout, "rear-engined, rear-driven cars - and even mid-ship designs - are OK. But if you want to make an enjoyable sports car, it should be front-engined, rear-drive."
If confirmed, the next Toyota sports car will likely be a BMW 6 Series-based coupe that Toyota is co-developing with the German automaker.
08-25-12, 07:55 PM
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Toyota considering a Supra successor as a large sports car?
Smaller sports car also mentioned
In a recent interview, Toyota GT 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada revealed the company could offer two additional sports cars.
Speaking with Drive, Tada said "The 86 will be a mid-size sports car" and "I would like to have one smaller and one larger." He added the larger model would likely be Supra successor, but the company hasn't green-lighted the vehicle as of yet.
Regardless of his statements, rumors suggest Toyota could launch a new Supra in 2014. Information is sketchy at best, but Tada hinted the car could be co-developed with Subaru.
In a recent interview, Toyota GT 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada revealed the company could offer two additional sports cars.
Speaking with Drive, Tada said "The 86 will be a mid-size sports car" and "I would like to have one smaller and one larger." He added the larger model would likely be Supra successor, but the company hasn't green-lighted the vehicle as of yet.
Regardless of his statements, rumors suggest Toyota could launch a new Supra in 2014. Information is sketchy at best, but Tada hinted the car could be co-developed with Subaru.
08-25-12, 09:17 PM
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^All of the articles you posted in posts #12, #13, #16 and #17 are nearly identical, despite the fact that they're all from different sources regurgitating the same information.
08-25-12, 09:23 PM
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Oh well, like an English paper, at least its good to have more than one source lol.
Anyways, with the rumors of the next IS-F getting a V6 turbo I think it might be possible that the "new" Supra will share the same drive-train.
08-26-12, 03:05 PM
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but toyota has a hybrid race car too, and this hybrid sports car concept too... so which is it, toyota?
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...r2-hybrid.html
08-26-12, 07:49 PM
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thank you toyota engineer.
but toyota has a hybrid race car too, and this hybrid sports car concept too... so which is it, toyota?
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...r2-hybrid.html
but toyota has a hybrid race car too, and this hybrid sports car concept too... so which is it, toyota?
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...r2-hybrid.html
The MR2 Spyder, which the concept is based on, weighs a scant 2,195lbs. I think the concept proves that a sports car should not be a hybrid more than anything else IMHO (at least not with regular cheap/affordable materials for the chassis and body).
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08-28-12, 02:43 AM
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That tiny concept weighs 3,300lbs! The MR2 Spyder, which the concept is based on, weighs a scant 2,195lbs. I think the concept proves that a sports car should not be a hybrid more than anything else IMHO (at least not with regular cheap/affordable materials for the chassis and body).
The MR2 Spyder, which the concept is based on, weighs a scant 2,195lbs. I think the concept proves that a sports car should not be a hybrid more than anything else IMHO (at least not with regular cheap/affordable materials for the chassis and body).
08-28-12, 01:51 PM
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You don't know how much it weighs, so don't guess. The only information on that concept was under 1500kg. That could be 1499kg or 999kg, I doubt it's heavier than the LFA. On topic, TMG in cologne are secretly working on something besides the TS030 (LMP1) and the TMG LS460, so I wonder if they could be a part of a Supra project. They're very close to the Nurburgring and I think Toyota use them as a base.
(just joking on the NSX part, but you get the idea.)
08-28-12, 10:14 PM
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By the time this car or a car like this is made, battery technology will be lighter than ever and the hybrid powertrain will add an insignificant amount of weight. You should pay close attention to their motorsports programs. SuperGT in particular with their GT300 prius.
08-29-12, 12:37 AM
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This thread is about an affordable road-going sports car (in the spirit of the MR2 and the Supra), not an exotic or a purpose-built race car costing well north of $100k. An affordable sports car should not be a hybrid, and the GRMN Sports Hybrid concept's sheer weight is proof of that.
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10-09-12, 08:34 AM
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Scion FR-S the First of Three Sports Cars Says Chief Engineer
The Toyota GT86 or Scion FR-S as it’s known on our shores may just be the best new sports car in a generation, but it certainly won’t be the last of its kind. According to chief engineer Tetsuya Tada, the FR-S is just the first of three planned sports cars by the world’s largest automaker.
Speaking to Top Gear in the Philippines, Tada not only confirmed that two more cars are coming, but let slip details about where they will fit in in the Toyota lineup.
Surprisingly, as impressive a performance bargain as the FR-S is, it will fill the middle slot in the brand’s new sports car lineup.
“The first is more mass-market and cheaper than the 86,” Tada said. And the third, well, it’s, “more upmarket than the 86.”
Early rumors of the GT86/FR-S has the car positioned as vehicle priced right around $20,000. It’s thought that the rising value of the Japanese yen resulted in the higher eventual cost, though perhaps this even more budget-oriented sports car is yet to come.
Tada would not confirm is the higher performance model would be a successor to the Supra, though what we do know from previous comments is that its next-gen halo sports car for the brand won’t be a hybrid.
[Source: TopGear]
Speaking to Top Gear in the Philippines, Tada not only confirmed that two more cars are coming, but let slip details about where they will fit in in the Toyota lineup.
Surprisingly, as impressive a performance bargain as the FR-S is, it will fill the middle slot in the brand’s new sports car lineup.
“The first is more mass-market and cheaper than the 86,” Tada said. And the third, well, it’s, “more upmarket than the 86.”
Early rumors of the GT86/FR-S has the car positioned as vehicle priced right around $20,000. It’s thought that the rising value of the Japanese yen resulted in the higher eventual cost, though perhaps this even more budget-oriented sports car is yet to come.
Tada would not confirm is the higher performance model would be a successor to the Supra, though what we do know from previous comments is that its next-gen halo sports car for the brand won’t be a hybrid.
[Source: TopGear]
10-09-12, 08:42 AM
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Toyota 86 chief engineer says there are 2 more sports cars coming
We sat down with Toyota 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada during an international media event for the groundbreaking compact RWD sports car, and he shared with us some of his company's future product plans. According to Tada, the 86 is just the first of three sports cars that Toyota is planning to roll out, and that the 86 is the middle of the two in terms of market positioning.
"The first is more mass-market and cheaper than the 86," Tada revealed. "And the third is more upmarket than the 86."
When asked if the higher-end sports car is the successor to the Supra, Tada said it could possibly be but that nothing is sure yet since his team is still in the process of conceptualizing the two other Toyota sports cars. He also noted that it takes five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, as compared with the three years it normally takes to develop a regular vehicle.
Prior to the 86, Toyota's last sports car in production was the MR-S.
If you had a choice, which Toyota sports car would you like to be revived? Take our poll.
"The first is more mass-market and cheaper than the 86," Tada revealed. "And the third is more upmarket than the 86."
When asked if the higher-end sports car is the successor to the Supra, Tada said it could possibly be but that nothing is sure yet since his team is still in the process of conceptualizing the two other Toyota sports cars. He also noted that it takes five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, as compared with the three years it normally takes to develop a regular vehicle.
Prior to the 86, Toyota's last sports car in production was the MR-S.
If you had a choice, which Toyota sports car would you like to be revived? Take our poll.