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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 04:55 PM
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both 4cyl and Hybrid get best in class MPG, without direct injection, valvematic or lion batteries.

Isnt that amazing? Shows how behind the competition is.

Camry Hybrid is now 220lbs lighter and now is only 220lbs heavier than 4cyl LE.
It also is 65lbs lighter than lion Sonata Hybrid, gets 4 mpg more combined, and has seriously better trunk - at 13.1 cuft vs 10.7cuft.

Not to mention that it is considerably faster and more refined due to the better integrated system.
what's scary is if toyco implements lion and direct injection ....probably a 2015 mmc update....
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 05:07 PM
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I don't like it.
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 05:15 PM
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I knew Toyota/Lexus would not let others beat them in the MPG game - especially hybrids. Wonder what the GSh will have over the M ....





Since 1997, the Toyota Camry has been the best selling car in America every year but one (2001). Last year, Americans bought 327,804 of them. Furthermore, the Camry platform serves as the foundation for the following Toyota and Lexus models: Avalon, Highlander, Sienna, Venza, ES350, RX350, and RX450h. Collectively, they added up to 738,415 sales in 2010—42% of To*yota’s American total. In other words, the Camry is the franchise.

Toyota has renewed this car like clockwork every 5 years, and the Camry has achieved an enviable position as the default mainstream sedan of choice—quiet, smooth, comfortable, reliable, and affordably priced. This new, 7th-generation, 2012 model is designed to maintain these virtues while offering more fuel efficiency and value.

Though Camry chief engineer Yukihiro Okane doesn’t say it, Toyota was perhaps embarrassed by losing out in mpg ratings to competitors, specifically the Ford Fusion hybrid and the Hyundai Sonata. Okane promises that this new model—with every engine—will at least tie for leadership in fuel-economy figures.

The base 4-cylinder is now rated at 25 mpg city and 35 highway—up 3 mpg each. The V-6 is up 1 mpg each to 21/30. And the new hybrid LE leaps from 31/35 to 43/39 mpg, bettering the Fusion’s 41/36 ratings. The 4-cylinder-only strategy used by competitors Hyundai and Kia doesn’t work for the Camry, as most of  its spinoffs require a V-6.

Toyota achieved these improvements without direct fuel injection, downsized engines, or turbocharging. Instead, the company relied on basics such as a 155-pound diet, lower-rolling-resistance tires, sleeker sheetmetal, taller gearing, more-aggressive torque-converter lockup, and electric power steering. The 2.5-liter 4 and the 3.5-liter V-6 are both unchanged (see specifications).

The hybrid loses an additional 66 pounds and gets a more efficient Atkinson-cycle engine with an electric water pump, more-effective regenerative braking, increased electric-motor usage, and better high-voltage-battery control. While the nickel-metal-hydride battery capacity is unchanged, total power jumps from 187 horses to 200, shaving an estimated half a second from the 0-to-60 acceleration time.

This Camry is no stunner, but it looks smoother than its predecessor, if a bit slab-sided and shovel-nosed. Despite the weight reductions, the car’s length, width, height, and wheelbase are unchanged. The interior package remains roomy and comfortable. The hybrid benefits from a shrunken and relocated battery/electronics package, increasing trunk space from 11 cubic feet to 13. Other Camrys have 15 cubic feet of space in their trunks.

Mercifully, this bestseller reverses the trend toward budget materials that we’ve seen on many recent Toyotas. A new layered dashboard with genuine stitching on its leading edge has upgraded the ambiance. Large, ergonomically sculpted controls on the steering wheel help navigate the optional electronics, and the cockpit nicely splits the difference between cozy and spacious, though we’d like more-convincing faux aluminum and wood trim.

This might come as a shock to you, but we at C/D prefer the sportier, less chrome-intensive Camry SE to the other versions

The SE would be our choice among the many models available (L, LE, SE, SE V-6, XLE, XLE V-6, hybrid LE, and hybrid XLE). SEs come with French-stitched upholstery, more-effective seat bolsters, a cleaner grille, and much less chrome. They also have a notably firmer suspension and a faster steering gear with more effort and feel. As you’d expect, the V-6 SE is quicker, but the 4 feels lighter on its feet.

The other Camrys are oriented, as always, toward cushy comfort. Wind and road noise are even more subdued than before, and the ride is smooth without being floaty—at least at moderate speeds. The new cars go down the road well, although the electronic power steering is notably lacking in on-center feel, even by Camry standards.

For those not sold on the SE, the new hybrid is an excellent choice, as it provides all of the comfort and utility of the other models with close to 40 mpg in real-world driving. Its integration of regenerative braking with hydraulic brakes is among the best we’ve ever experienced, and this car is more than a second quicker than the nonhybrid 4-cylinder Camrys.

Though there are still a multitude of Camry models, Toyota has substantially reduced the number of build combinations. All of this adds up to reduced pricing.

The sticker for a base LE automatic, which Toyota expects to account for half of the sales, will be slightly lower than that of today’s LE. The cost of upgrading to an SE or an XLE will be cut roughly in half. And the hybrid, at least the new LE version, also will likely cost less than the current single hybrid model and is expected to account for at least 10 percent of sales. With its improved interi*or materials, higher mileage, and lower prices, this Camry ought to retain its sales crown.
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 05:48 PM
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I called my sales friend from Toyota, he said the Camry should be in within 3 weeks.

Sure hope so. I've got some CL-member requests for a new Camry review, and I'm waiting, too. I suspect the Japanese earthquake for the hold-up....even the American-built Camrys from Georgetown, KY rely, to some extent, on Japanese-sourced parts.
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 06:37 PM
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It also lost 155 lbs!!
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 06:58 PM
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the weight loss stuff is pretty cool.
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
It also lost 155 lbs!!
Toyota needs to launch a weight loss supplement!
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
It also lost 155 lbs!!
Problem is, the article doesn't tell us which Camry version lost the pork, though it could, of course, refer to all of the versons to some extent.

Mercifully, this bestseller reverses the trend toward budget materials that we’ve seen on many recent Toyotas.
Great. Let's hope so. I have noticed the increasing quality-drop of Camry interiors for some years now. The Highlander, of course, has gone some distance in reversing that disturbing trend....let's hope the Camry does now, too.

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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Mike, seems the non hybrid versions.

Seems the hybrid lost over 200 lbs too!
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Mike, seems the non hybrid versions.

Seems the hybrid lost over 200 lbs too!
Great. That is not always easy to do with hybrid hardware, which, of course, which adds complexity and weight. The article mentons better-quality materials, too....which could also work against shedding some pork. If Toyota can lighen the car up AND use better-quality materials at the same, that's an accomplishment.
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 09:07 PM
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Wtf... Toyota gives the camry rev-matching downshifts but not on the ISx50? ....

Is it a true manual mode like the ISF?
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 09:30 PM
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Well, the IS is 6 years old now so I guess I can't really complain haha. Man.. Makes my car feel so old now!!

I wish Lexus offered a new ecu software to add this feature... Even if it cost a little bit of money... (like BMW performance upgrades...)
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 11:52 PM
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The weight loss is probably the best improvement since a redesign generally adds more weight. If the Camry hybrid loss 220 pounds then imagine the next generation LS600hL hybrid. The current one gains several hundred pounds over the standard LS460 with all of the hybrid components.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 02:53 AM
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I read in one of the reviews how knee space is up by 2" at the back... thats a LOT.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 04:16 AM
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Overall, a very decent looking car, but those taillights..............................hideous, with a capital H!
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