Originally Posted by Slvr surfr

Now, what Lexus must do(this is who Hyundai is apparently chasing) is keep them chasing and not being direct competition. IMO, take the company completely tier 1. Lexus seemed to be on the right track circa 2002 when it had LS,GS,SC 430s and the LX which were all consider tier one vehicles at the time with the RX and ES as the only "down market" volume offerings. Today you have a whole host of vehicles that you can consider tier 2 with only the LS holding the tier one crown barely. The GS took a step back and the SC and LX are considered all but dead. Toyota really needs to take shots back at Hyundai with the Toyota brand. Take everything up a notch, even to current Lexus levels because thats what the competition is doing. Take Lexus to a completely new level only a few can compete on as it was before. Hell, make the next SC transform into a sedan for heavens sake if thats what it will take to shake off the flees from you shoulder. With that said, Hyundai is Toyota 1989 all over again but with no additional names(Lexus). If Toyota dont wanna get stompted out by its own method of success by another company then they to get it back in gear and "move forward" quickly.

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

Toyota acknowledged awhile ago that one of their biggest threats was Hyundai. Lets not forget the Yen/Won trade difference with the dollar. The Yen was at a 15 year low recently and it is killing profits in Japan and means prices have to rise. I think most everyone knows Hyundai is for real and they have made tremendous strides compared to their past models.

Lexus has gone up substantially. The LX moved up and is an incredible SUV. The GS still offers the only hybrid in class. "F" and the IS F is the only Asian car to battle AMG/M etc. The next SC is around the corner. Lexus prices are on par with the Germans in most cases, more expensive in many. Lexus has been defined by the experts as a Tier 1 brand. Someone posted a link showing Lexus is considered one of the top 2 luxury brands in America and has been in the top 5 for years now.

Let us not forget there will be new EPA rules and the image of luxury has changed, thus the HS, CT. Also BMW, Benz, Audi have sold small cars for years now. Lexus is simply joining them.

Then there is the LFA, no Asian company has produced anything like it and the learning's from low inertia, carbon fiber, etc will trickle down to other products.

It is not 1989 all over again though, period. Lexus became the #1 import luxury brand in 2 years and completely changed perceptions about all luxury. They changed the entire dealership experience and definitions of quality and reliability. The LS completely redefined what people thought luxury was.

The Genesis is a fine car and we all know that. I posted my mini-review of the interior and boasted at how nice it was. It has redefined Hyundai, not the industry.

Part of my review



https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...s6-others.html






Bingo. I just posted sales results, it is a dog fight between Lexus, BMW, Benz. All 3 also continue to innovate and expand their lineups and not stand still. I think we all know ANY brand caught flat footed today will be dead.

Originally Posted by Cut-Throat

I guess this must be the difference between me and a lot of other posters on this forum.

I am a car consumer only. I do not care who makes the best car. I will vote with my money. If Lexus falls to last place among car companies and never makes another car that I want to buy. So be it! If Yugo or GM comes out with a car better than my Genesis in a few years, I'll buy it and tell you how much better the XXXX is than my Genesis. Currently I can tell you that Lexus Lost my Business when my 07 GS350 was a major step down from my 99 GS300. It caused me to look at a HYUNDAI. I liked what I saw and I bought it. I don't care if Hyundai makes better cars in the future either. I will switch to any brand that makes the best car for me.

I do not care if Lexus succeeds at all. I don't work for the company(As some on this forum appear to do). I don't own stock in any car company. I am just a regular consumer talking about cars.

Originally Posted by Rock-a-Lex

hmmm....wow, and that was from a GS300; I wonder what your feelings would have been at that time if you were coming from a GS400 or a GS430? More punch and more fun to drive...perhaps you wouldn't have even went on to the new GS350 at that time.

Originally Posted by meowCat

I don't own stock for any car companies either. Toyota / Lexus is known to have unintended acceleration problems... the build quality has gone south so it's a big no no for me. Also the sales rep at lexus dealership is so arrogant and stuck up... what's worse is that some of the lexus fanatics in this forum not only put down on Hyundai but also have issue with "Koreans" and / or anything made / designed by Koreans. We are talking some serious racism here.. the forum quality has gone way south.

Originally Posted by DaveGS4

Most of those earlier in the post were egged on by the OP's inflammatory thread title and signature when he originally posted this thread in the 3rd Gen GS forum, but once the moderator team moved it to Car Chat the discussion has been constantly monitored and reasonable after a rocky start.

Originally Posted by DaveGS4

It was moved from the 3rd gen GS forum here. Perhaps you made a mistake when you posted it.