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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Johnson
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I'm hoping to get the review done over the weekend for Monday.


It is in the MKS as well. A fairly pointless feature on the stereo is the ability to play back the THX "Deep Note" demo. More on this in the review.
Sorry I meant to type MKS. How does the THX certified stereo system sound compared to the Lexus systems or Mark Levinson if you had it, does it have DVD-A playback capability? Can you play a DVD movie in the MKS and watch it through the nav screen?
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Nice car you picked up! While the IS-F is my dream car, I can certainly understand your need for something more all-weather. Glad you supported Ford too. Out of the Big Three, I think they have their heads up their asses the least.
One gripe though about Ecoboost... there's nothing really "eco" about it. It gets the same mileage as anything else, if not worse. For should dump the name and come up with something that announces the theme of power, since that's what these Ecoboost engines seem to specialize most in.
Enjoy your ride!
Well let's take a look at some similar offerings.

Model - HP/Torque, MPG (City/Highway), Drive Config, Weight
Ford Taurus SHO Ecoboost - 365/350, 17/25 AWD (4400 lbs)
Lincoln MKS Ecoboost - 355/350, 17/25 AWD (4400 lbs)
Infiniti M45x v8 - 325/336, 14/20 AWD (4176 lbs)
Audi A6 4.2 v8 - 350/325, 16/23 Quattro AWD (4211 lbs)
Lexus GS 350 v6 - 303/274, 18/25 AWD (3965 lbs)
BMW 535i v6 - 300/300, 17/25 x drive AWD (3946 lbs)

Ford Flex Ecoboost - 355/350, 17/22 AWD (4839 lbs)
Infiniti FX50 v8 - 390/369, 14/20 AWD (4575 lbs)
Infiniti FX35 v6 - 303/262, 16/21 AWD (4299 lbs)
Acura MDX v6 - 300/275, 15/20 AWD (4550-4600 lbs)
Buick Enclave v6 - 288/270, 16/22 AWD (4985 lbs)

Taurus SHO and MKS with Ecoboost weigh over 400lbs more than the AWD v6 GS and 535, but has a much higher output with similar fuel economy. The EB engines easily outclass (both output and fuel economy) the v8's in the current M45x and A6 4.2.

In the even heavier crossover application, the Flex EB compares quite favorably in power and fuel economy with similar v6 offerings.

Compared to the older v8's the Ecoboost engines easily best these engines in power and fuel economy. I think if you compare them to all the newer v8's being offered, like Infiniti's 5.0 v8 or Mercedes new v8, the EB v6 will be on the lower end of the power spectrum (mid 300 hp vs upper 300/low 400 hp) but still has better EPA. I don't think the Ecboost name is all marketing hype.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Congrats! I love the look of this car. This TT V6 will be in the next gen Ford Exploder also

This new motor is a gem in the making.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Ford and GM is making some pretty impressive engines these days.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RX300-BV
Well let's take a look at some similar offerings.

Model - HP/Torque, MPG (City/Highway), Drive Config, Weight
Ford Taurus SHO Ecoboost - 365/350, 17/25 AWD (4400 lbs)
Lincoln MKS Ecoboost - 355/350, 17/25 AWD (4400 lbs)
Infiniti M45x v8 - 325/336, 14/20 AWD (4176 lbs)
Audi A6 4.2 v8 - 350/325, 16/23 Quattro AWD (4211 lbs)
Lexus GS 350 v6 - 303/274, 18/25 AWD (3965 lbs)
BMW 535i v6 - 300/300, 17/25 x drive AWD (3946 lbs)

Ford Flex Ecoboost - 355/350, 17/22 AWD (4839 lbs)
Infiniti FX50 v8 - 390/369, 14/20 AWD (4575 lbs)
Infiniti FX35 v6 - 303/262, 16/21 AWD (4299 lbs)
Acura MDX v6 - 300/275, 15/20 AWD (4550-4600 lbs)
Buick Enclave v6 - 288/270, 16/22 AWD (4985 lbs)

Taurus SHO and MKS with Ecoboost weigh over 400lbs more than the AWD v6 GS and 535, but has a much higher output with similar fuel economy. The EB engines easily outclass (both output and fuel economy) the v8's in the current M45x and A6 4.2.

In the even heavier crossover application, the Flex EB compares quite favorably in power and fuel economy with similar v6 offerings.

Compared to the older v8's the Ecoboost engines easily best these engines in power and fuel economy. I think if you compare them to all the newer v8's being offered, like Infiniti's 5.0 v8 or Mercedes new v8, the EB v6 will be on the lower end of the power spectrum (mid 300 hp vs upper 300/low 400 hp) but still has better EPA. I don't think the Ecboost name is all marketing hype.
Excellent breakdown! It does look like there are some advantages to the Ford engine. What I'm thinking however are the 0-60 numbers, keeping MPG's in mind. This is what really tells the power, output, and efficiency story. A ton of horsepower on paper may not produce the optimum results.
Also, real world driving MPG's tend to be different than the EPA estimates with certain motors. I think I had been gathering my information from what a few major car mags have said about their Ecoboost tested cars (lower MPG's). But all that could be lead-foot driving too. Would be interesting to hear your own mileage results later down the road once you've got some miles going.
Thanks for the chart again!
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Excellent breakdown! It does look like there are some advantages to the Ford engine. What I'm thinking however are the 0-60 numbers, keeping MPG's in mind. This is what really tells the power, output, and efficiency story. A ton of horsepower on paper may not produce the optimum results.
C&D has a video where they run 13.9 in the 1/4 mi in the MKS. This is pretty good given the final drive ratio for the MKS is geared towards economy. Tests of the SHO with Ecoboost also show around 5.2 0-60. Don't know if that SHO has the performance package which provides a more aggressive final drive than the stock SHO or MKS (3.16 vs 2.73)

It's not a sports car but it can get out of its own way.
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