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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I would buy a Ford with no issues
knock me over with a feather...

if a lexus dealer were in my town or anywhere close i might still be in one (although i only really like the LS and RX), but since that's not the case i don't.

GM/Chrysler can suck a fat one, even if I like some GM products. They should give us the cars free, seeing they used our money and all.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna


that was a mercury marauder?


Did you mean WHAT was a Mercury Marauder, bit?

The Marauder (re-named after the famous 1960's Mercury nameplate) was essentially an all-black (interior/exterior) version of the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis with the police-package engine/brakes/transmission/suspension, produced for civilian use. It was an attempt by Ford to fill the void left by the demise of the old RWD Chevy Impala SS, but ended up with a smaller engine and didn't have as much power as its Chevy rival. Later versions of the Marauder, before it was dropped, offered, also offered a dark maroon and one or two other colors...dark blue, I think.

(BTW, I don't normally like black cars, but I thought the way the Marauder did it, all-black except for the silver wheels and silver console gauges, was dynamite).

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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I agree, but buying a Ford, nowadays, is not necessarily buying "American".......there are simply too many variables involved. That is the case with just about every major automaker today.
ford's domestic content is still likely to be very high on most models.

That "fat one" may turn out to be not so fat. GM and Chrysler are both expected to re-pay their loans.
where did you read/hear about that? i don't believe there's ANY chance of that happening.

Chrysler, under Lee Iacocca, DID repay the last major loan they got, in the early 1980's. Time will tell if they (and GM) can do it again this time.
that was a 1.5 Billion loan if i recall, and yes Iacocca, did a great job back then with the minivan and the K car to get things moving again.

in contrast GM/Chryco and the govt STIFFED the taxpayer to the tune of $50 BILLION or more (30+ times as much as Lee did). and i don't believe they're done yet.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
ford's domestic content is still likely to be very high on most models.
True to an extent, but several Ford products are already done on world platforms.....and that will be even more the case when we finally get the Fiesta and Euro-spec Focus here in the U.S. (I'd like to see us get the Mondeo, but don't hold your breath)



where did you read/hear about that? i don't believe there's ANY chance of that happening.
Obama announced, several times, that it was considered a loan (at least, the way I heard it). But, I agree with you that, particularly in GM's case, that it probably won't be paid back anytime soon...if ever. Chrysler, on the other hand, has Fiat's huge resources backing it....probably the largest company in Italy, and one of the largest automakers in the world, even though they have been out of the U.S. for some 25 years..
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Nice car you picked up! While the IS-F is my dream car, I can certainly understand your need for something more all-weather. Glad you supported Ford too. Out of the Big Three, I think they have their heads up their asses the least.
One gripe though about Ecoboost... there's nothing really "eco" about it. It gets the same mileage as anything else, if not worse. For should dump the name and come up with something that announces the theme of power, since that's what these Ecoboost engines seem to specialize most in.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
One gripe though about Ecoboost... there's nothing really "eco" about it. It gets the same mileage as anything else, if not worse. For should dump the name and come up with something that announces the theme of power, since that's what these Ecoboost engines seem to specialize most in.
Well, yes, there is a reason for the term "Ecoboost". With the way that Ford set up the twin turbos, with their near-seamless integration, efficiency, smooth power, and freedom from turbo lag (though, admittedly, I'm basing this opinion on other reviews, as I have yet to drive one), they essentially provide the power of a typical V8, while returning the gas mileage of a V6.....particularly if you take it easy wth that right foot and don't cut the turbos in too much. These engines, while not specifically meeting the 2015-16 CAFE mileage requirements to the letter, were obviously developed with those new standards in mind.

I will, though, on request, be reviewing an Ecoboost Flex when they become available (Taurus SHO's have them, but are special-order only and generally not avilable for test-drives). If a Flex Ecoboost is not available either, I might try out an MKS Ecoboost like Mr. Johnson bought.

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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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Man its well know I hate American cars BUT that is a very beautiful car and represents my hope for the future of american cars ( to have japanese build quality and nicer design cues). This car and the Buick Lacrosse thats coming out are truely amazing cars that are really going to help pull the US auto makers out of that horrible reputation they have with buyers of my generation. Awesome car.... enjoy. Let us know if you get a boost controller and an exhaust. Do that and you will push more power than your ISF.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 10:25 PM
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Nice choice. I have not seen many on the road but I think the MKS is a sharp looking sedan and Fords/Lincolns best design. I was looking forward to it after seeing that stunning concept a few years ago. I am not all that into the rear styling but the front and side and most other angles look good. How is the interior of the car and how solid does it feel, those are two aspects that worry me about Fords and keep them off my lists is interior quality/build quality and reliability/ride mainly from past experiences and word of mouth but hopefully things have changed.

The car looks really good in black, I believe the stereo is THX certified on the MKXs which is cool.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 03:13 AM
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the car looks good, can't wait to see the review and more pics
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 05:15 AM
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I almost bought the MKS a year ago, what a beautiful car. Of course, I swear I would never buy another Ford after my Mustang from 20 years ago, but this is not your grandfather's Ford, the interior was put together well, exterior tolarance can be better though. Over all, its a very nice car, the handling is a little softer than I would like, the rear design is kind of plain and at the time, no Ecoboost. If the Ecoboost was available at that time, I might be driving one today.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 06:13 AM
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good luck with her it looks great that motor and the awd will b fun in the snow
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 08:23 AM
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Nice choice. I didn't even know off the top of my head what an MKS looks like because I think Lincoln's way of naming cars is really lame.

Love the car. Congrats.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 08:40 AM
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Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I'm hoping to get the review done over the weekend for Monday.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
So funny, I was reading my Forbes last night and saw a two page spread on it and they talked about how EcoBoost was better than their own 3.7.
Yes the MPG of the Ecoboost AWD is 17/25 while the AWD 3.7 is 16/23 and the FWD is 17/24. So you get AWD and better mileage to boot. See more about V6 economy @ V8 performance below.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I've seen a couple of them in Atlanta with either 20s or 22s and it looks good.
Depending on trim level they come with 18s or 19s stock and with the current Ecoboost option packages they are 20s. Good grief! One thing to note is that the car is really tall. Around 5 feet. That's why the proportions still look reasonable with such big wheels.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
I agree, but buying a Ford, nowadays, is not necessarily buying "American".......there are simply too many variables involved. That is the case with just about every major automaker today.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
ford's domestic content is still likely to be very high on most models.
While content certainly comes from everywhere in today's global economy Ford owned the top two spots with the MKS at #2 and the Taurus at #1. Given part of my motivation that mattered.
Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
One gripe though about Ecoboost... there's nothing really "eco" about it. It gets the same mileage as anything else, if not worse. For should dump the name and come up with something that announces the theme of power, since that's what these Ecoboost engines seem to specialize most in.
Enjoy your ride!
More on this when I review but as noted above they do better than their own V6 in performance and mileage. Question is do they do better than other "modern" engines today? I think the verdict is still out but given that the engine is hauling around 4300 lbs so the mileage could be better if they shaved 400-500 lbs off that car. OTOH an LS1/LS7 engine would get mileage that is just as good with the same or more power so the V8 power/V6 mileage is a bit specious.
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I believe the stereo is THX certified on the MKXs which is cool.
It is in the MKS as well. A fairly pointless feature on the stereo is the ability to play back the THX "Deep Note" demo. More on this in the review.
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Over all, its a very nice car, the handling is a little softer than I would like, the rear design is kind of plain and at the time, no Ecoboost. If the Ecoboost was available at that time, I might be driving one today.
I think Ford made several changes for 2010 that made this work for me. The engine, the interior and gauges were all upgraded.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i'd be interested if you could expand on that. IS-F is certainly fast, but not particularly luxurious.
The IS-F was fractionally faster than my GS and handled quite a bit better. The transmission was fantastic in manual mode but "lazy" in auto (even in sport). While my GS understeered a bit more it had more room, had a better ride (everywhere except track) and just "cruised" better. Since I spend most of my time on the street at less than 10/10ths that was important. I think in the future I will just stick with separate luxury car and sports car rather than try and mix them.
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that was a mercury marauder?
Assuming you meant "what" I've attached an exterior picture of mine.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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Congrats on the change in cars, good variety.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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Good Job!! I love the MKS, plus the baddies had one in the Dark Night ;p.
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