pbm317

This doesn't make sense. I know you want V8 to V8, but the Genesis didn't win on the basis that it had a V8. The Genesis would've won by a larger margin according to Edmunds value logic had it been a GS460.

And it's Edmunds... i've never seen an Edmunds comparo that used good logic.

pagemaster

Well...Edmunds would of had a perfect "apples to apples" comparison between a rwd 4.6 v8 car and another rwd 4.6 v8 car...in this case it can't be anymore "apples to apples"

pbm317

But you call it unfair... unfair for who? The Hyundai won, the GS460 would've lost by even more because Edmunds factors in the price and the GS460 would've guzzled more fuel, not be all that much faster (the GS350 was already faster than the Hyundai 4.6).

Did you want to see the Hyundai win by a grand slam?

The GS is also supposed to be a sport slanted sedan... by your 4.6L V8, RWD logic, Edmunds could also pit it against the LS460. Then they'd both be luxury slanted sedans, both being the flagships of their respective brands. Is that better?

pagemaster

The GS350 had better performance out of a smaller engine less powerful engine, much better MPG, similar stopping and handling...........yet it lost. This is why price should not matter all that much because the price premium of the Lexus is why the Lexus achieved better performance

Comments of the Genesis

The Genesis' trunk opening is generous, and the trunk itself is good-sized. But it could be more elegantly finished and carpeted"

" Hyundai's new "Tau" V8 is an underperformer. Though rated at 375 horsepower (on premium fuel) the engine performed as if maybe 320 hp were aboard"

" The brakes are effective on initial use, but fade rapidly after repeated stops"

"According to our scales, the GS 350 weighs in 320 pounds less than the Genesis and that helped it score a 5.7-second 0-60-mph time and run through the quarter-mile in 14.0 seconds at 99.5 mph. The Genesis, despite its larger, more powerful V8, was slower, completing those same feats in 5.9 seconds and 14.1 seconds at 101 mph."


"The Genesis stopped from 60 mph a foot shorter than the GS 350 (114 vs. 113 feet), but the Lexus' brakes were more resistant to fade."


The Lexus drank premium at the rate of 22.9 mpg, while the Hyundai slurped it up at a 17.6 mpg rate.


Yet read the comments about the GS...

"Even the Lexus' wheel is finely detailed"

"The GS 350's front seats are nothing less than perfectly shaped and perfectly upholstered"

The Lexus cornered flatter and was a more involving drive than the Hyundai"

The GS is the better car...and the GS460 would of destroyed the Genesis.

Allen K

iTrader: (4)

Until the price became a factor. The GS460 would have been embarrassed in this competition because the cost of the car seems to play such an important role to Edmunds.

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

And the GS350 already handily outperforms the V8 Genesis, making the 460 unnecessary

Seriously though...The GS is faster, stops better, drives better, gets significantly better gas mileage, has a nicer interior and yet that doesn't justify a 7K price gap? Let alone the Lexus name?

Come on.

pagemaster

in this case...of course it does.

carguy101

I doubt it. The GS460 has put out some underwhelming numbers of its own in road tests. GS460 has gotten 5.5s (C&D) and 5.6s (Motortrend). C&D clocked the Genesis V8 at 5.6s.

In fact, oddly enough, the GS350 (5.3s) has gotten better times than the GS460.

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

Give me a break.

If the GS 460 snaps off 0-60 in 5.5 or 5.6 with 33 less horsepower than the Genesis then that's considered a whipping by any standard.

And the fuel efficiency of the 460 is not far off the 350, so that'd be another loss for Hyundai.

On a price and performance basis the GS 350 is a decent competitor for the Genesis, but once you get into 460 territory you're looking at $10+K more and at that point the comparison is moot because the 350 already spanked it. If you don't think the GS 460 shows a reasonable performance gain over the 350 then you need to extensively drive them both. 0-60 might not be much different, but floor the car at 50, 60, or 70 MPH and there is a night and day difference.

Is that extra power worth the cash? Meh, in my opinion no it's not, but let's be realistic here. The GS 350 just beat the Genesis by pretty significant margins in performance... the 460 would walk it without hesitation.

Diemellz

the GS is the better car, we all know that, did u know the GS460 got destroyed by 5, M, E, A6 and XF

pagemaster

The title of the article at Edmunds says "has Hyundai built a better Lexus?"

If you take away your personal opinions of the vehicle and look at the pure data of the car then the Lexus wins and is worth the $7k premium.

In my opinion it is.

pagemaster

In what comparo?

I think it was the GS450 that got compared

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

There is a $7K difference between identically equipped GS 350s and 460s. To me, I don't know if I would really use the extra 39hp enough to justify that price gap. In most measures, the 350 is a second or less behind the 460 and you're also throwing around 150 lbs less with the V6.

To each his own though. That V8 is super, super smooth and silky and that alone is more alluring to me than the power

knihc2008

iTrader: (1)

This is the most retarded comparo ever.

It's like comparing the Genesis to the Mercedes S-Class, saying that the S-Class is the superior car, but giving first to Genesis because it is cheaper.

LexBob2

This was in another thread, but just FYI, in Sunday's paper a Hyundai executive said they expect 20% of Genesis sales to be the V8 and 80% to be V6.

The engines in their other vehicles (V6 and I4) are usually competitive, but not class leading in performance or fuel efficiency.