Where to buy E85?
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Where to buy E85?
i was wondering if anyone out there knows of who to call, email, or a good website to find out what stations sell e85? there is one website out there that says they have all the listings. but, a lot of them have not been updated since 06. i am building my motor right now so its e85 capable. well the fuel system is anyways. i have tried emailing fuel distributors and i havent got anything back. i know there has to be lots out there. the website shows only 6 for the whole state of washington. 3 of which are military bases. those dont even count, b/c they are for our GOV vehicles anyways. not for personal vehicles. if there is any info out there that you guys might have it would be great to share. especially with gas pushing the $4/gal mark! thanks- Brian
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E85... ethanol blend gas? That's heaps of ethanol to be running through the fuel lines (although I heard in Brazil they run something similar to that).
There was one guy in Australia who's running E10 petrol in his Soarer (1JZ) and he hasn't seen any problems, but I don't know if any octane booster is added to each fill up.
BTW, what needs to be converted for that type of fuel anyway? I am considering running my car on gas (propane) considering it's less than half the price of regular petrol.
There was one guy in Australia who's running E10 petrol in his Soarer (1JZ) and he hasn't seen any problems, but I don't know if any octane booster is added to each fill up.
BTW, what needs to be converted for that type of fuel anyway? I am considering running my car on gas (propane) considering it's less than half the price of regular petrol.
Before you get a woody about all the money you'll save, you might want to look at specific heat of these fuels and calculate $/mile, not mpg. Propane is certainly cheaper than gasoline gallon for gallon, but BTU for BTU the gasoline is still the bargain. Same with E85. It's no bargain by any means.
E85... ethanol blend gas? That's heaps of ethanol to be running through the fuel lines (although I heard in Brazil they run something similar to that).
There was one guy in Australia who's running E10 petrol in his Soarer (1JZ) and he hasn't seen any problems, but I don't know if any octane booster is added to each fill up.
BTW, what needs to be converted for that type of fuel anyway? I am considering running my car on gas (propane) considering it's less than half the price of regular petrol.
There was one guy in Australia who's running E10 petrol in his Soarer (1JZ) and he hasn't seen any problems, but I don't know if any octane booster is added to each fill up.
BTW, what needs to be converted for that type of fuel anyway? I am considering running my car on gas (propane) considering it's less than half the price of regular petrol.
I've done a little research, MA is opting in to use E10 through out the state since 1995, so I guess that's why I haven't noticed the difference in fuel consumption. I've been using E10 since I've been driving. The following link shows which states/areas are using E10.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/rfg2.html
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yeah i cant find anything about where it is sold still. i guess i can just keep tryin.
the motor i am building is going to be standalone, that is why i am building it e85 compatible. i dont understand how you think its not a bargain? its rated between 100-105 octane. it burns super clean and you get more power out if it. it cost less too. yeah you have to burn a lil more but its still a good deal. when i was back home in ohio last fall the price of e85 was $2.30 when 87 was $3.23. i just filled up yesterday with 93 and paid $3.79. gas prices arent gonna go down anytime soon. i think the price of upgrading your fuel system is well worth it. there are guys on other forums using it and love it! a guy on supraforums is putting down 800+ on it. thats pretty good in my book.
there is a guy on supramania (IJ) that converted to propane and he loves it. it had quite a bit of fab work but he said he likes it better than gas/petrol.
the motor i am building is going to be standalone, that is why i am building it e85 compatible. i dont understand how you think its not a bargain? its rated between 100-105 octane. it burns super clean and you get more power out if it. it cost less too. yeah you have to burn a lil more but its still a good deal. when i was back home in ohio last fall the price of e85 was $2.30 when 87 was $3.23. i just filled up yesterday with 93 and paid $3.79. gas prices arent gonna go down anytime soon. i think the price of upgrading your fuel system is well worth it. there are guys on other forums using it and love it! a guy on supraforums is putting down 800+ on it. thats pretty good in my book.
there is a guy on supramania (IJ) that converted to propane and he loves it. it had quite a bit of fab work but he said he likes it better than gas/petrol.
yeah i cant find anything about where it is sold still. i guess i can just keep tryin.
the motor i am building is going to be standalone, that is why i am building it e85 compatible. i dont understand how you think its not a bargain? its rated between 100-105 octane. it burns super clean and you get more power out if it. it cost less too. yeah you have to burn a lil more but its still a good deal. when i was back home in ohio last fall the price of e85 was $2.30 when 87 was $3.23. i just filled up yesterday with 93 and paid $3.79. gas prices arent gonna go down anytime soon. i think the price of upgrading your fuel system is well worth it. there are guys on other forums using it and love it! a guy on supraforums is putting down 800+ on it. thats pretty good in my book.
there is a guy on supramania (IJ) that converted to propane and he loves it. it had quite a bit of fab work but he said he likes it better than gas/petrol.
the motor i am building is going to be standalone, that is why i am building it e85 compatible. i dont understand how you think its not a bargain? its rated between 100-105 octane. it burns super clean and you get more power out if it. it cost less too. yeah you have to burn a lil more but its still a good deal. when i was back home in ohio last fall the price of e85 was $2.30 when 87 was $3.23. i just filled up yesterday with 93 and paid $3.79. gas prices arent gonna go down anytime soon. i think the price of upgrading your fuel system is well worth it. there are guys on other forums using it and love it! a guy on supraforums is putting down 800+ on it. thats pretty good in my book.
there is a guy on supramania (IJ) that converted to propane and he loves it. it had quite a bit of fab work but he said he likes it better than gas/petrol.
It DOESNT burn cleaner than gas, its actually dirtier. And its not just a "lil more" to burn either. Its A LOT more. E85 guys on supraforums have to build up their fuel systems 33% "bigger" than what it would normally be with 93 octane gasoline. Why? Because it takes roughly 33% more E85 to burn to get to stoich vs petrol. 33% isn't just a little, its enough to kill the gas mileage pretty bad and make it not worth getting vs regular gas if you're just trying to justify it over MPG. If its over performance, then yeah... People are running 30psi with E85 and making ridiculous numbers on a "pump gas" compared to the very expensive race fuels.
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i am looking at it in a performance aspect. i have a lil truck for a DD that gets around 30mpg. im not building a high performance motor to get good mileage as it will be a weekend car. but i know what your talking about on using 33% more. but to me thats still a better deal. it might come close to costing the same but your running 93 vs 105. i am not rich enough to afford race gas all the time haha. oh, and burning clean i meant emissions b/c im not planning on running a cat. they are emissions nuts up here. sorry if there was confusion.
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formaldehyde is a byproduct of alcohol combustion. I wouldn't call it "cleaner" burning unless it is being run through a cat to neutralize the really bad stuff from alcohol combustion.
Stick your face in the exhaust from an alcohol engine and notice the severe burning feeling you get in your eyes. It's not because it's cleaner for sure!
And as I said earlier, do a $/mile calculation. It's still not cheaper than race gas. Finally, if I modified everything to run E85 and only made 800 hp from a 2JZ, I'd cry.
Stick your face in the exhaust from an alcohol engine and notice the severe burning feeling you get in your eyes. It's not because it's cleaner for sure!
And as I said earlier, do a $/mile calculation. It's still not cheaper than race gas. Finally, if I modified everything to run E85 and only made 800 hp from a 2JZ, I'd cry.
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This may help you SMP...Several links for you below...First link below is map select page and 2nd is link for your state from selecting Washington from map select. 3rd is Fed gov map select to find E85 stations and when at the site I noticed map select for Hydrogen stations 4th link ...who knew so many Hydrogen already existed..check out CA for example.
E85 should be MUCH cheaper than gas as in around 2.00 or 2.50 gallon.
Good luck with your engine and if you want to flex it look up ethanol vehicle mandate for Brazil, all new vehicles must be capable of running both or they are not permitted to be sold, so there is some easy means to flex them.
http://www.e85refueling.com/
http://www.e85refueling.com/location...e7e4113bb6f96c
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuel...locations.html
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuel...locations.html
E85 should be MUCH cheaper than gas as in around 2.00 or 2.50 gallon.
Good luck with your engine and if you want to flex it look up ethanol vehicle mandate for Brazil, all new vehicles must be capable of running both or they are not permitted to be sold, so there is some easy means to flex them.
http://www.e85refueling.com/
http://www.e85refueling.com/location...e7e4113bb6f96c
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuel...locations.html
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuel...locations.html
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E85... ethanol blend gas? That's heaps of ethanol to be running through the fuel lines (although I heard in Brazil they run something similar to that).
There was one guy in Australia who's running E10 petrol in his Soarer (1JZ) and he hasn't seen any problems, but I don't know if any octane booster is added to each fill up.
BTW, what needs to be converted for that type of fuel anyway? I am considering running my car on gas (propane) considering it's less than half the price of regular petrol.
There was one guy in Australia who's running E10 petrol in his Soarer (1JZ) and he hasn't seen any problems, but I don't know if any octane booster is added to each fill up.
BTW, what needs to be converted for that type of fuel anyway? I am considering running my car on gas (propane) considering it's less than half the price of regular petrol.
Here in first link below is an example of fuel savings for pickup, mpg identical city and drop 20 percent highway, but the price is CHEAP by comparison and less polluting than gasoline.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfue...lLPG2002.shtml
To accelerate the adoption of alternative fuels and to offer lower-cost fuel options than afforded by gasoline, Australia is now offering A$1,000 (US$760) toward the purchase cost of a new Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG)-powered vehicle, and a grant of A$2,000 (US$1,519) to the cost of converting existing private vehicles to LPG.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard made the announcement during a statement to Parliament on energy initiatives.
The Australian LPG Association estimates that, on average, the fuel bill for a six-cylinder vehicle travelling 15,000 kilometers a year would be cut by $27 a week, or more than $1,400 a year, following conversion to LPG. Combining those fuel savings and the A$2,000 rebate would result in recouping the approximate A$2,500 conversion cost in four months, according to the Prime Minister.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006...lia_to_pr.html
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Have you actually SEEN it at this price? Because I live in a state where they produce the stuff, AND subsidize it, and it runs about $0.30 less than premium (about the same as regular). Right now that means $3.39/gallon.
E85 is anything but a bargain.
E85 is anything but a bargain.
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When I was in DC for Christmas, I saw it at Chevron dealers there, but the I asked the station attendant each time and they say they hardly see people touch the stuff.
They will never, ever have it here in Mexico. Someone suggested it once it never came up again, since ethanol increase the price of corn, which is the staple crop that makes tortillas, which is a staple food here.
They will never, ever have it here in Mexico. Someone suggested it once it never came up again, since ethanol increase the price of corn, which is the staple crop that makes tortillas, which is a staple food here.
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An added bonus for consumers switching to E85 is that not only does the fuel burn cleaner than unleaded , but also that e85 is 105 octane which increases horsepower.
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Popular Mechanics seem to back them up in their hp and octane claims.
I actually think something like an E80 or E75 would balance out the mpg difference between gas and current E85-ethanol blends.
Also interesting article on boosting E85 fuel economy by 25 to 30 percent over current which will meet and/or exceed current (gasoline or E10) mpg ratings. Creative minds are working on turbocharging specific to E85 and on direct injection.
I think Henry Ford knew what he was talking about when indicating ethanol as fuel of the future for his vehicles.
From Popular Mechanics
""""Case For: Ethanol is an excellent, clean-burning fuel, potentially providing more horsepower than gasoline. In fact, ethanol has a higher octane rating (over 100) and burns cooler than gasoline. However, pure alcohol isn't volatile enough to get an engine started on cold days, hence E85. Much smaller quantities of ethanol are also added to around 30 percent of the gasoline sold in the States to meet EPA requirements for oxygenated fuels in metropolitan areas with the country's worst ozone air pollution."""" http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...41.html?page=2
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