View Poll Results: Should the we build a Nurburgring
Oh heck yes, and I WILL drive on it once, no matter where in teh USA it is (well not alaska/HI)



44
62.86%
No, we just have to many idiot drivers and it would be a waste.



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37.14%
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WHY does the USA, not have a high speed highway?
Originally Posted by mmarshall
No...Grey Davis lost his job because of taxes and the budget...and property taxes on cars. That is taxing car OWNERSHIP, not actually a tax on DRIVING them.
As far as speed goes...no, it won't kill if you don't actually HIT anything...but the faster you go, the more ground you cover per unit of time, the faster your reactions have to be, the longer it takes to stop....especially on slick surfaces, and the more impact force your vehicle will have if it DOES hit something....and the more damage it will cause to both YOU and others.
There are some things you can argue with, but the laws of physics is not one of them.
As far as speed goes...no, it won't kill if you don't actually HIT anything...but the faster you go, the more ground you cover per unit of time, the faster your reactions have to be, the longer it takes to stop....especially on slick surfaces, and the more impact force your vehicle will have if it DOES hit something....and the more damage it will cause to both YOU and others.
There are some things you can argue with, but the laws of physics is not one of them.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
No...Grey Davis lost his job because of taxes and the budget...and property taxes on cars. That is taxing car OWNERSHIP, not actually a tax on DRIVING them.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
No...Grey Davis lost his job because of taxes and the budget...and property taxes on cars. That is taxing car OWNERSHIP, not actually a tax on DRIVING them.
As far as speed goes...no, it won't kill if you don't actually HIT anything...but the faster you go, the more ground you cover per unit of time, the faster your reactions have to be, the longer it takes to stop....especially on slick surfaces, and the more impact force your vehicle will have if it DOES hit something....and the more damage it will cause to both YOU and others.
There are some things you can argue with, but the laws of physics is not one of them.
As far as speed goes...no, it won't kill if you don't actually HIT anything...but the faster you go, the more ground you cover per unit of time, the faster your reactions have to be, the longer it takes to stop....especially on slick surfaces, and the more impact force your vehicle will have if it DOES hit something....and the more damage it will cause to both YOU and others.
There are some things you can argue with, but the laws of physics is not one of them.
Last edited by lkirchner; Aug 25, 2005 at 02:51 PM. Reason: Correction
Originally Posted by lkirchner
A little off topic but Grey lost his job for more than what you have stated; he was an absolute incompetent, lacking any personality and totally out of touch with the people. In other words a true douche bag.


In my state.....Virginia.....he wouldn't have gotten elected even to the local town or county level. Even in liberal Arlington and Alexandria.....which are different from the entire rest of the state...his election would have been questionable.
Originally Posted by ntran18
You are absolutely right, but believe me, it was perceived as a tax on driving.
Sorry, mods.....I know we got off-topic, but some good points were brought up.
Last edited by mmarshall; Aug 25, 2005 at 05:02 PM.
Originally Posted by fireballs gs400
tid bid of info. Aldof Hitler invented the Autobaun in germany. Kinda interesting huh
I'm not sure that's true, at least, not in the way that you are interpreting the word "autobahn." Hitler may have been responsible for highway construction projects. I really don't have any clue about that aspect of the regime.
Autobahn, in German, means highway. The no speed limit highways in Germany are not all over the place as many people presume. Most of them are in Bavaria. All highways in Germany are Autobahns, but most have speed limits. There are only a few that do not. You will find high speed limits (ca. 160 km/h / 100 mph in places as well as lower limits in metropolitan areas (100 km/h - 62 mph).
I didn't drive very much during my year in Germany, but I did drive some on the A7 and several other autobahns in Germany and I was never on one that did not have a speed limit.
The biggest difference between German drivers and American drivers is that the majority of Germans licensed to drive are very aware, compentent, and safe drivers. Here, any stooge with a checking account can get a driver's license.
Originally Posted by link13
You will find high speed limits (ca. 160 km/h / 100 mph in places as well as lower limits in metropolitan areas (100 km/h - 62 mph).
There are no 160km/h limits.
Originally Posted by link13
I'm not sure that's true, at least, not in the way that you are interpreting the word "autobahn." Hitler may have been responsible for highway construction projects. I really don't have any clue about that aspect of the regime.
Autobahn, in German, means highway. The no speed limit highways in Germany are not all over the place as many people presume. Most of them are in Bavaria.
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Autobahn, in German, means highway. The no speed limit highways in Germany are not all over the place as many people presume. Most of them are in Bavaria.
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The modern Autobahn system as we know it WAS Hitler's idea.........for military mobility, among other reasons. Gotta remember...at that time ( mid-1930's) he was secretly rearming Germany in defiance of the Versailles treaty. The original VW Beetle was also his idea...a cheap, simple, well-built car for the German masses during the Depression. Volks-Wagen literally means, in German , " Peoples' Car ". He ordered Dr. Ferdinand Porsche to come up with a design...... ( Remember.....Hitler, as dictator, never ASKED anyone in Germany to do anything !
): The rest is history. That is why early Beetles and early Porsches were so similiar.Our own Federal Interstate Highway system was President Eisenhower's idea back in the 1950's....using some of the ideas he saw in Germany during and after World War II, where, of course, he was the top Allied military commander.
Last edited by mmarshall; Aug 26, 2005 at 03:59 PM.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
It's not surprising that the unlimited-speed highways are in Bavaria.....that is BMW's home.
Biker, who already misses European driving but has to settle for the Beltway.
Originally Posted by biker
That has nothing to do with it. The reason for the unlimited speed streches there is the lower population density.
Biker, who already misses European driving but has to settle for the Beltway.
Biker, who already misses European driving but has to settle for the Beltway.

Yes. I avoid that f - - -ing Beltway like the plague. It is one of the most congested roads in the U.S.......and with some of the worst drivers.........perhaps THE most congested road outside of the L.A./ SoCal freeway system. I-66 between Arlington and Gainesville is also a mess.
I agree that lower population density is a big factor in the unlimited Autobahn stretches, but there is no denying that BMW's political as well as economic influence in Germany is very strong. And, of course, BMW wants roads that drivers can wring out their M cars on.
Last edited by mmarshall; Aug 27, 2005 at 05:46 PM.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
I agree that lower population density is a big factor in the unlimited Autobahn stretches, but there is no denying that BMW's political as well as economic influence in Germany is very strong. And, of course, BMW wants roads that drivers can wring out their M cars on.
Won't have much choice about the Beltway - it's on my commute route (albeit somewhat against rush hour traffic).
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