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WHY does the USA, not have a high speed highway?

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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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I'm all for it, but in our overly litigious society I don't think it will ever happen.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 11:52 PM
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What a coincidence - I was on the A5 yesterday and had no worries that my speedometer read 180kph (115mph) when I went by a police car. Of course even at that speed I was passed by a few cars.

It is very hard to change cultural things - that's what it would take. And with rising gas prices I wouldn't be surpirsed if some politician whips out the ole "let's slow down to save gas" mantra of the 70s.

Yep, lots of bikers go and pay the 16 Euros to take a lap of the Ring.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 01:21 AM
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As soon as an old asian ladie gets on it, we are all DEAD
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I say, build US a damn Nurburgring. Why not????????

Your thoughts.
Did you mean an Autobahn, Mike?............the Nurburgring is a closed course, not a highway to get from point A to point B.

I personally think the money would be better spent, instead of building a long triple-digit speed highway, building a network of drag strips instead where kids can legally drag-race their cars.....I, for one, am sick and tired of seeing this idiotic and dangerous nonsense on public roads....and seeing the casualty toll.
While I don't condone drag racing, legal, purpose-built drag strips hopefully would stop.....or drastically reduce.......drag-racing on public roads. A fee could be charged to help with the costs of operating the place. Ambulances, a paramedic crew, and a fire truck would be on hand to deal with accidents. Contestants would have to have at least a helmet and sign a waiver on the car warranty ( most auto warranties don't cover racing or abuse anyway ) and a liability waiver on injuries as well.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Did you mean an Autobahn, Mike?............the Nurburgring is a closed course, not a highway to get from point A to point B.
The Ring is not a closed course, it's registered as a toll road, so you could see it as a public highway.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 06:06 AM
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OK...thanks, Rich.....I did not know that. I'll stand corrected.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 06:25 AM
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Yes but before that beef up the driving standards..

And a performance adept driver license should be issued before being allowed to drive such roads... in addition to your standard driving licenses. Withouth being penalized from insurance companies!
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
OK...thanks, Rich.....I did not know that. I'll stand corrected.
No problem, I'm here to help mr Car Talk!!!
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Did you mean an Autobahn, Mike?............the Nurburgring is a closed course, not a highway to get from point A to point B.

I personally think the money would be better spent, instead of building a long triple-digit speed highway, building a network of drag strips instead where kids can legally drag-race their cars.....I, for one, am sick and tired of seeing this idiotic and dangerous nonsense on public roads....and seeing the casualty toll.
While I don't condone drag racing, legal, purpose-built drag strips hopefully would stop.....or drastically reduce.......drag-racing on public roads. A fee could be charged to help with the costs of operating the place. Ambulances, a paramedic crew, and a fire truck would be on hand to deal with accidents. Contestants would have to have at least a helmet and sign a waiver on the car warranty ( most auto warranties don't cover racing or abuse anyway ) and a liability waiver on injuries as well.

its already done... and why penalize those of us that take the legal way of doing things by denying insurance and warranty We pay for the damn thing, most of the time against our will. Thats A MAJOR issue why stubborn street racers dont take it to the track.

Besides believe me when I tell you this driving events are often safer then driving on heavy traffic legally. Most drivers there are far far far superior then the average joe. In fact I think performance drivers should get an insurance break as long as they drive legally since they are more skilled and much more aware drivers. In case of an emergency where evasive manuevers is needed they are more likely to maintain control since they know their cars well at the limit when most drivers have no clue and could make crucial mistakes, like hitting the brakes hard at first sign of fishtail in wintery condition for example, or in a tire blow out. There are somethings that cannot be thought in a driving pamplet or text, but must be experienced to learn, no better place to do it then in a closed circuit lot or track in the supervision of profesionals!

A life time of normal traffic driving with no track experience will not even come close to comparing to the skills to that 17 yr old that has explored all performance driving skills has gone to driving schools since when he first got his license at 16, and explored the limits of his car in most common weather conditions rain or shine. Dont believe me? Compare a seasoned young person to the first timer to the track thats been driving for decades.

Its silly when regular scca members the most law abiding group I know, are being threathened with higher insurance rates, insurance cancelation and warranty negligence. When in reality this people could outdrive and are more aware drivers than anyone else that does not fit into this category, with exception of CERTAIN law enforcement units, and even then who knows.

Granted most of my points stand for those that partake in road racing and autocross, but why penalize the individuals that take the legal way of doing things?

I learned more on my first track day about driving then I have ever learned before about driving put together. Think about that.

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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 06:49 AM
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2 simple reasons:

1. Most Americans are too paranoid about anything being "limitless". (Thus your drinking age limit, your minimum age limit to have consensual sex, speed limit, smoking age limit, etc)

2. Most Americans are not too good at driving. Giving them a unlimited high speed highway is just irresponsible. Oh wait, is it just me being paranoid? (look at reason 1) Hyuk hyuk hyuk....
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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It won't happen because for some reason there's no push for a tougher driving test in this country which I don't get. I'm all for people being free to drive, but not if they don't know what they're doing.

*MORE* people should *FAIL* the driving test because it shouldn't be easy. A driver can kill people quite easily by not paying attention or by not knowing how to react in MANY situations.

Why should a driving test be much much simpler than a FLYING test? Hey with flying at least there's VERY LITTLE traffic!

The problem is I guess, if driving tests were very hard, we'd have more and more drivers out there with NO license and the police just couldn't keep up...
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jtanoyo1
2 simple reasons:

1. Most Americans are too paranoid about anything being "limitless". (Thus your drinking age limit, your minimum age limit to have consensual sex, speed limit, smoking age limit, etc)

2. Most Americans are not too good at driving. Giving them a unlimited high speed highway is just irresponsible. Oh wait, is it just me being paranoid? (look at reason 1) Hyuk hyuk hyuk....
There's nothing particularly unique about America in these two points... all developed countries have rules and challenges.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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i would love it but i think you would have a bunch o people holding up traffic b/c theyre dricing too slow
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Richie
The driver training will have to be improved for it to be safe on a "limitless" highway like parts of the autobahn.

Like the training in the US is nowadays, it would be dangerous IMO.
Agreed. Not to mention the fact that many many many of the cars sold these days are NOT suited for such speeds, neither are the tires that the people driving these cars use. I think we would get too many ignorant drivers regarding these matters trying to go 110 on such roads, ending up flippin, losing control, bursting a tire, etc.. It's a bad idea until everyone can become informed, or there would have to be restrictions on what cars using what tires can use this road, and that would be a difficult and COSTLY thing to try to police.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Please, your input. We have the greatest country, the money, we love cars. All I see is them trying to sell us more and faster cars, and no where to drive them. All I see is them trying to lock us down with tickets, speed traps and other crap.

I say, build US a damn Nurburgring. Why not????????

Your thoughts.
Honestly - someone would get on it and drive 30 mph
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