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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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Default ooh jesus what have the ad makers done!

just saw a new advertisement on tv for the new 265 hp maxima.... why does it make a blow off sound after the guy shifts! wtf is with these ad people!
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by audi2nr
just saw a new advertisement on tv for the new 265 hp maxima.... why does it make a blow off sound after the guy shifts! wtf is with these ad people!
lol, I have read this same thing on tons of forums. Must be the quad exhausts, they add like 400hp
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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Big deal, it's just advertising. It's not like they're saying it has a turbo. Every advertising agency takes creative liberties.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 07:55 PM
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Big deal, it's just advertising. It's not like they're saying it has a turbo. Every advertising agency takes creative liberties.
If people are observing a blow-off valve, then they are saying its a turbo and that is misleading. What is funny is some Nissans with the stock exhaust note and VQ sound pretty damn good, so I am not sure why they needed to add the fake blow-off valve.

You can get sued for false advertising. If someone goes to the dealer thinking Nissan sells a Maxima turbo, b/c he heard a blow-off valve in the ad, and finds out, well its not, he could have a case.

And I've ridden in Maxima Turbos, so I know what a Maxima with a turbo sounds like (Bags, can u see this thread??)
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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this isn't jus a BOV though, it's the obvious sound (multiple times) of a turbo spooling then the blow off valve going off. i of course know better and that nissan in no way shape or form offers a maxima turbo... but i really understand why some people might be easily confused.... the car they portray is a turbo maxima.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
You can get sued for false advertising. If someone goes to the dealer thinking Nissan sells a Maxima turbo, b/c he heard a blow-off valve in the ad, and finds out, well its not, he could have a case.
Ok, I don't know if you've seen it but there is (or was) a Dodge ad where they show the Ram series of trucks making a large jump off of a ramp (apparently) and landing on the front axle (hard at that) then the back and they continue to drive off just fine (one was even towing a heavy trailer behind it). No disclaimer that I saw said "do not attempt" or anything like that.

So if I were to buy a Ram, attempt that jump, and destroy my truck, are you saying I'd have a case against Dodge?

BTW, any bit of research would tell that Maxima buyer that the car in fact does not use a turbo. It's not a secret. I'm betting the "case" would be thrown out.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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Ok, I don't know if you've seen it but there is (or was) a Dodge ad where they showed the Ram series of trucks making a large jump off of a ramp (apparently) and landing on the front axle (hard at that) then the back and they continue to drive off just fine (one was even towing a heavy trailer behind it). No disclaimer that I saw said "do not attempt" or anything like that.

So if I were to buy a Ram, attempt that jump, and destroy my truck, are you saying I'd have a case against Dodge?

BTW, any bit of research would tell that Maxima buyer that the car in fact does not use a turbo. It's not a secret. I'm betting the "case" would be thrown out.
This is my last post b/c I can see where this is going, your defending Nissan. Its bigger than that, this is about a deceptive ADVERTISEMENT. It can be anyone.. Here are a COUPLE examples of why they can get sued and lose or be forced to remove the ad.
1. Volvo had an ad in the 80s showing how strong one of their cars were. They had a truck like BIGFOOT, run over a bunch of cars and a Volvo. The Volvo did not get crushed like everyone else.
Well it got investigated. Volvo then had to fess up that the car they used was REINFORCED and not a profuction car. Bad P.R and they had to remove the ad. Not sure if they got fined or not.
2. When Lexus debuted the ad with the LS 400 running with the champange flutes, no one believed it to be true. It it wasn't, it would be a DISASTER for the new company. An independent agency (the same one that tested the Volvo and most ads) bought an LS 400, and tried the same feat. To their and the worlds surprise, the LS 400 they bought performed the same thing.
3. THe point of ADS to to get people in the showroom and to buy. Most people who see ads DO NOT do research, they see what they like and buy it.
4. If that same agency tested the RAM, it better peform to what they said.
5. THE LAW
Under the Federal Trade Commission Act:

* Advertising must be truthful and non-deceptive;
* Advertisers must have evidence to back up their claims; and
* Advertisements cannot be unfair.

6. What can happen
What penalties can be imposed against a company that runs a false or deceptive ad?
The penalties depend on the nature of the violation. Among the remedies that the FTC or the courts have imposed include:

* Cease and desist orders. These legally-binding orders require companies to stop running the deceptive ad or engaging in the deceptive practice, to have substantiation for claims in future ads, to report periodically to FTC staff about the substantiation they have for claims in new ads, and to pay a fine of $11,000 per day per ad if the company violates the law in the future.

* Civil penalties, consumer redress, and other monetary remedies. Violation of certain statutes can result in civil penalties ranging from thousands of dollars to millions of dollars, depending on the nature of the violation. In other cases, advertisers have had to give full or partial refunds to all consumers who bought the product.

* Corrective advertising, disclosures, and other informational remedies. Advertisers have been required to take out new ads to correct the misinformation conveyed in the original ad. Advertisers also have had to notify purchasers about deceptive claims in ads, include specific disclosures in future ads, or provide other information to consumer

* Bans and bonds: In some cases, individuals have been banned from an industry or have been required to post a bond before continuing business.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
This is my last post b/c I can see where this is going, your defending Nissan. Its bigger than that, this is about a deceptive ADVERTISEMENT. It can be anyone..
It's not about defending Nissan, it's about me trying to tell you the ad is not deceptive. If it was, don't you think there would have been a complaint or would not the ad have been pulled by now? Apparently, there's no problem.

Most people who see ads DO NOT do research, they see what they like and buy it.
You don't actually believe this do you? I would think even the most implusive car buyer asks basic questions about what they're buying such as what kind of engine it has. Not to mention dealers and the price/specification/option paper posted in new cars at car dealers to tell you what you're getting. There's just no rational reason someone would not know what they're getting.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Variance
It's not about defending Nissan, it's about me trying to tell you the ad is not deceptive. If it was, don't you think there would have been a complaint or would not the ad have been pulled by now? Apparently, there's no problem.



You don't actually believe this do you? I would think even the most implusive car buyer asks basic questions about what they're buying such as what kind of engine it has. Not to mention dealers and the price/specification/option paper posted in new cars at car dealers to tell you what you're getting. There's just no rational reason someone would not know what they're getting.
Listen to yourself the man who STARTED the thread said
just saw a new advertisement on tv for the new 265 hp maxima.... why does it make a blow off sound after the guy shifts! wtf is with these ad people
then, THE AD IS DECEPTIVE. It doesn't matter if its one or 1,000 people. The thread starter THOUGHT he heard a turbo in the Maxima, which we know it does not have.

I said, it does sound like a turbo. Then adidosc said this isn't jus a BOV though, it's the obvious sound (multiple times) of a turbo spooling then the blow off valve going off. i of course know better and that nissan in no way shape or form offers a maxima turbo... but i really understand why some people might be easily confused.... the car they portray is a turbo maxima

So he also thinks it sounds like a turbo.

Now to your second comment, this is NOT unusual
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=173714

People buy cars and learn about them later. We are NUTTY, we are on car forums. And still, many people on car forums do not know much about cars. Most come to read/learn, from the 5% that actually knows something.

Now I am going to search b/c I've seen similar thread on other forums. SOme people THINK the car sounds like a Turbo, its not, thus its deceptive.

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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Any link to this commercial? I haven't seen it yet and don't want to miss it. I wonder how obvious it is?

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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Its funny I come on and read this, I just saw the coomercial for the 1st time tonight and thought to myself that it sounded like a blow off valve. Than I see this thread and I guess they were doing that on purpose.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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here is another example of other people who also think it sounds like a turbo/BOV:

http://www.racingflix.com/forum/foru...s.asp?TID=1810
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by adidosc
here is another example of other people who also think it sounds like a turbo/BOV:

http://www.racingflix.com/forum/foru...s.asp?TID=1810
I'm not disputing the commercial has the turbo sound, I'm just saying it's not as big a deal as some people are trying to make it.

Like that last poster on that thread pointed out, a Lexus GS ad uses that sound too (more than once as well) and I haven't heard any complaints about that. It's just marketing and most people (also evidenced by that thread) understand that. The few that don't simply need to do their homework is all.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:43 PM
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I'm not disputing the commercial has the turbo sound, I'm just saying it's not as big a deal as some people are trying to make it.

Like that last poster on that thread pointed out, a Lexus GS ad uses that sound too (more than once as well) and I haven't heard any complaints about that. It's just marketing and most people (also evidenced by that thread) understand that. The few that don't simply need to do their homework is all.
You need to stop coming into this forum with these smart comments.
The few that don't simply need to do their homework is all.
WHO needs to do their homework? YOU DO. You have yet to post a link, or a LAW, like we have.

Like that last poster on that thread pointed out, a Lexus GS ad uses that sound too (more than once as well) and I haven't heard any complaints about that

Nope, If anything is sounds like a V-8. It DOES NOT sound like a turbo, the 2 ads are not close in sound.

And no one is making a big deal about it. The thread is about it sounds like a turbo.

OF all the THREADS in CAR CHAT tonight, your in the NISSAN one as usual.


And your digging deeper and deeper

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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:43 PM
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after reading this my wife and i listened to the commercial...and sure as heck it's a BOV.

Doesnt anyone remember what happened to Mazda and their Rx7? Their purported power output that they advertised and claim was not what it turned out to be. They had to offer to buy back the RX7 to the owners or they could keep them and they got life time service? and some gift bucks for soemthing...the FTC are very serious about these things and if there's enough people that complain someone will look into it.
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