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The bigger question is, when you get to your destination, not specifically you, can you charge where you are staying or do you have to hang out at a random Target or Walmart parking lot? Until theres a charging infrastructure, the range anxiety dead horse will keep getting beat. And no, not everyone wants to move to California or Florida.
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I mean I think charging it once should be enough to get you around town for a week, maybe twice if you go out of town for activities.
my bad, I meant if I am driving to say South Carolina from Florida, On the journey I don't want to stop at Chipotle or BK. So I would have to stop at a charge point for 20 minutes then stop at a restaurant for 30-45 minutes and then continue my journey.
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The bigger question is, when you get to your destination, not specifically you, can you charge where you are staying or do you have to hang out at a random Target or Walmart parking lot? Until theres a charging infrastructure, the range anxiety dead horse will keep getting beat. And no, not everyone wants to move to California or Florida.
The bigger question is, when you get to your destination, not specifically you, can you charge where you are staying or do you have to hang out at a random Target or Walmart parking lot? Until theres a charging infrastructure, the range anxiety dead horse will keep getting beat. And no, not everyone wants to move to California or Florida.
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I was told my feedback was wrong. Maybe you are quoting the wrong person? No where did I dismiss anyone or all people. I stand by what I said, too many EV owners paint a perfect picture of ownership when that is not the case.
To @Hameed point using a Tesla is definitely the better option. Expect the hotel wasn’t charging any EVs. If I had rented a Tesla, surely a supercharger station is around. We have zero interest in renting or driving one.
So back to the TZ, many owner experiences will be similar to mine. Hit or miss with charging. To @situman point of we need better charging infrastructure which is something I 100% align with.
To @Hameed point using a Tesla is definitely the better option. Expect the hotel wasn’t charging any EVs. If I had rented a Tesla, surely a supercharger station is around. We have zero interest in renting or driving one.
So back to the TZ, many owner experiences will be similar to mine. Hit or miss with charging. To @situman point of we need better charging infrastructure which is something I 100% align with.
I would not rent an EV. Charging is tied to your account with providers and this is not a solved problem when renting. Also, if I am in another country, i dont want to think about it.
If I am traveling with my car, i would pick hotel with EV charging. Not all do it but plenty do, here in Europe, and I never have a problem with it.
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I own 3 EVs now, for last 5 years I am experienced EV driver.
I would not rent an EV. Charging is tied to your account with providers and this is not a solved problem when renting. Also, if I am in another country, i dont want to think about it.
If I am traveling with my car, i would pick hotel with EV charging. Not all do it but plenty do, here in Europe, and I never have a problem with it.
I would not rent an EV. Charging is tied to your account with providers and this is not a solved problem when renting. Also, if I am in another country, i dont want to think about it.
If I am traveling with my car, i would pick hotel with EV charging. Not all do it but plenty do, here in Europe, and I never have a problem with it.
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not sure who said that. there’s clearly a variety of experiences with charging. for example i haven’t ever used or tried to use a level 2 charger at a hotel. i’d rather go to a DCFC one for 15 minutes. i’ve wanted to use one in a parking garage, but they’re always in use.
and conversely, many ice owners say ev charging is universally horrible because of reliability problems and because it’s not as ‘convenient’ as going to any gas station, missing several points ev owners (not renters) enjoy, like charging at home.
point is, there’s a variety of experiences from great, to ok, to bad. my expectations for charging on the road were low, so the fact that it works at all is amazing to me.
and now that my hyundai can also be charged at tesla superchargers is great. hyundai even sent the adapter for free.
but clearly ev charging infrastructure has a long way to go nationwide and globally. speed, reliability, availability, all classic scaling issues that will be solved.
is that an anti-elon musk pov or something else?
I stand by what I said, too many EV owners paint a perfect picture of ownership when that is not the case.
point is, there’s a variety of experiences from great, to ok, to bad. my expectations for charging on the road were low, so the fact that it works at all is amazing to me.
and now that my hyundai can also be charged at tesla superchargers is great. hyundai even sent the adapter for free.but clearly ev charging infrastructure has a long way to go nationwide and globally. speed, reliability, availability, all classic scaling issues that will be solved.
If I had rented a Tesla, surely a supercharger station is around. We have zero interest in renting or driving one.
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Honestly, the attitude turns me off from EV ownership altogether..
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not sure who said that. there’s clearly a variety of experiences with charging. for example i haven’t ever used or tried to use a level 2 charger at a hotel. i’d rather go to a DCFC one for 15 minutes. i’ve wanted to use one in a parking garage, but they’re always in use.
and conversely, many ice owners say ev charging is universally horrible because of reliability problems and because it’s not as ‘convenient’ as going to any gas station, missing several points ev owners (not renters) enjoy, like charging at home.
point is, there’s a variety of experiences from great, to ok, to bad. my expectations for charging on the road were low, so the fact that it works at all is amazing to me. and now that my hyundai can also be charged at tesla superchargers is great. hyundai even sent the adapter for free.
but clearly ev charging infrastructure has a long way to go nationwide and globally. speed, reliability, availability, all classic scaling issues that will be solved.
is that an anti-elon musk pov or something else?
and conversely, many ice owners say ev charging is universally horrible because of reliability problems and because it’s not as ‘convenient’ as going to any gas station, missing several points ev owners (not renters) enjoy, like charging at home.
point is, there’s a variety of experiences from great, to ok, to bad. my expectations for charging on the road were low, so the fact that it works at all is amazing to me.
and now that my hyundai can also be charged at tesla superchargers is great. hyundai even sent the adapter for free.but clearly ev charging infrastructure has a long way to go nationwide and globally. speed, reliability, availability, all classic scaling issues that will be solved.
is that an anti-elon musk pov or something else?
If I could give a POV on this, to me as an ICE owner who is really interested in EVs and would like an EV but has what I feel are reasonable concerns surrounding EV use on trips, I feel like my concerns are always totally disregarded as being ridiculous and I am continually painted as being unreasonable and backwards by EV owners/fans for those concerns. So IMO thats where Mike's feedback there is coming from. You may not think you are being condescending and dismissive, but thats how it lands. Theres this idea that we need to conform to what is available to us and just suck it up vs wanting what is made to conform to our lifestyles and I think the latter is a very reasonable expectation for a consumer in any marketplace. Its not unreasonable for people to want what they spend huge amounts of money on to be serviceable for all their needs without unreasonable lifestyle changes.
Honestly, it turns me off from EV ownership altogether..
Honestly, it turns me off from EV ownership altogether..