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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
At least you had the turbo!
I feel pity on the owners who didn't.

The later Probe GTs (starting in 1992 I think) had a really nice 2.5L NA V6.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
At least you had the turbo!
I feel pity on the owners who didn't.

It was crazy how little the turbo did for the HP, and the torque bump it provided, was just enough to torque steer you into a tree in winter.


Originally Posted by geko29
The later Probe GTs (starting in 1992 I think) had a really nice 2.5L NA V6.
The 2nd Gen GTs were much much better. Interior was better, handling was better. Sounded better. I was impressed when I drove a 94.
That would have benefited from shoving the Countour SVT 200hp V6 into it.

Again. Not a sports car when a 94 Eagle Talon Tsi awd pulls up next to you at a light. (which was only $3k more at the time)
I remember this article and was wondering how much they got paid by Ford for this one...
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I've owned 5 Chryslers and by and large the product is not bad and offers a lot for the money.
I have owned Jeeps and Rams. Can't sell them if you don't drive them. They can be ok. Mine were. But way over priced now. I also saw it from a dealer perspective. I saw the recalls, the issues. They customers not coming back because they got a lemon or had ongoing issues. You see the over all brand, not just one car that was ok. They should have gone bankrupt in 2008 but were saved. They could have done a better restructure and dealt with legacy costs.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Och
They also had the Concorde.
the door to front wheel gap shows why the chrysler was only ever a luxury wannabe.

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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 10:36 AM
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i enjoyed my 2015 (i think) jeep grand cherokee "summit" (very nice interior and exterior design, to me!).

but chrysler as a brand, only having one product, is rather a joke... they need more products or fold up the tent.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
but Chrysler as a brand, only having one product, is rather a joke... they need more products or fold up the tent.

Then GIVE them more products....which is what I was saying from my first post.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
the door to front wheel gap shows why the chrysler was only ever a luxury wannabe.
I disagree that "luxury" necessarily means giant wheels and tires that fill up the whole wheel-well. All else equal, a gap in the well like that means more available up/down suspension travel over bumps, meaning a better and more-compliant ride.

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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I disagree that "luxury" necessarily means giant wheels and tires that fill up the whole wheel-well. All else equal, a gap in the well like that means more available up/down suspension travel over bumps, meaning a better and more-compliant ride.
that wasn't the gap i mentioned.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 11:34 AM
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I disagree that "luxury" necessarily means giant wheels and tires that fill up the whole wheel-well. All else equal, a gap in the well like that means more available up/down suspension travel over bumps, meaning a better and more-compliant ride.
Bit was specifically talking about the gap between the wheel well and the door, not the tire. And he put helpful arrows on the pictures to literally point this out.

Or, put another way, you can see his point by looking at how much front overhang there is in front of the wheel well.

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Originally Posted by geko29
Bit was specifically talking about the gap between the wheel well and the door, not the tire. And he put helpful arrows on the pictures to literally point this out.

Or, put another way, you can see his point by looking at how much front overhang there is in front of the wheel well.

OK, Thanks, that's partly my-bad. I thought, by his comment, that he was referring to the Chrysler's large wheel-gaps.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
OK, Thanks, that's partly my-bad. I thought, by his comment, that he was referring to the Chrysler's large wheel-gaps.
i guess i should have added "look at the pic i made" my "bad".
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 01:13 PM
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The front wheels are positioned farther back on the Chrysler compared to the BMW because of the location of the transaxle; it is a front wheel drive car (like an Eldorado).
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Originally Posted by Nevada
The front wheels are positioned farther back on the Chrysler compared to the BMW because of the location of the transaxle; it is a front wheel drive car (like an Eldorado).
exactly, meaning longer front overhang, shorter wheelbase, worse weight distribution and handling, etc. fwd is fine for just going a to b but just isn't considered luxurious.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 02:52 PM
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While the Concorde was not a "luxury" car, is in not because of the drive wheel configuration; luxury cars were not exclusively RWD in 1999.
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Old Mar 26, 2026 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
exactly, meaning longer front overhang, shorter wheelbase, worse weight distribution and handling, etc. fwd is fine for just going a to b but just isn't considered luxurious.

FWD seems to have permeated entry level luxury, but I do think a longitudinal engine/RWD based setup is mandatory beyond that lower level. A Lexus ES is a fine and comfortable car to ride around in. If people prioritize comfort in their luxury without caring much about the driving dynamics, an ES will fit them perfectly. You start going up in price and caring about driving dynamics and FWD simply won't do.

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