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At least you had the turbo!
I feel pity on the owners who didn't.
It was crazy how little the turbo did for the HP, and the torque bump it provided, was just enough to torque steer you into a tree in winter.
Originally Posted by geko29
The later Probe GTs (starting in 1992 I think) had a really nice 2.5L NA V6.
The 2nd Gen GTs were much much better. Interior was better, handling was better. Sounded better. I was impressed when I drove a 94.
That would have benefited from shoving the Countour SVT 200hp V6 into it.
Again. Not a sports car when a 94 Eagle Talon Tsi awd pulls up next to you at a light. (which was only $3k more at the time)
I remember this article and was wondering how much they got paid by Ford for this one... https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/
I've owned 5 Chryslers and by and large the product is not bad and offers a lot for the money.
I have owned Jeeps and Rams. Can't sell them if you don't drive them. They can be ok. Mine were. But way over priced now. I also saw it from a dealer perspective. I saw the recalls, the issues. They customers not coming back because they got a lemon or had ongoing issues. You see the over all brand, not just one car that was ok. They should have gone bankrupt in 2008 but were saved. They could have done a better restructure and dealt with legacy costs.
the door to front wheel gap shows why the chrysler was only ever a luxury wannabe.
I disagree that "luxury" necessarily means giant wheels and tires that fill up the whole wheel-well. All else equal, a gap in the well like that means more available up/down suspension travel over bumps, meaning a better and more-compliant ride.
Last edited by mmarshall; Mar 26, 2026 at 11:28 AM.
I disagree that "luxury" necessarily means giant wheels and tires that fill up the whole wheel-well. All else equal, a gap in the well like that means more available up/down suspension travel over bumps, meaning a better and more-compliant ride.
I disagree that "luxury" necessarily means giant wheels and tires that fill up the whole wheel-well. All else equal, a gap in the well like that means more available up/down suspension travel over bumps, meaning a better and more-compliant ride.
Bit was specifically talking about the gap between the wheel well and the door, not the tire. And he put helpful arrows on the pictures to literally point this out.
Or, put another way, you can see his point by looking at how much front overhang there is in front of the wheel well.
Bit was specifically talking about the gap between the wheel well and the door, not the tire. And he put helpful arrows on the pictures to literally point this out.
Or, put another way, you can see his point by looking at how much front overhang there is in front of the wheel well.
OK, Thanks, that's partly my-bad. I thought, by his comment, that he was referring to the Chrysler's large wheel-gaps.
The front wheels are positioned farther back on the Chrysler compared to the BMW because of the location of the transaxle; it is a front wheel drive car (like an Eldorado).
The front wheels are positioned farther back on the Chrysler compared to the BMW because of the location of the transaxle; it is a front wheel drive car (like an Eldorado).
exactly, meaning longer front overhang, shorter wheelbase, worse weight distribution and handling, etc. fwd is fine for just going a to b but just isn't considered luxurious.
exactly, meaning longer front overhang, shorter wheelbase, worse weight distribution and handling, etc. fwd is fine for just going a to b but just isn't considered luxurious.
FWD seems to have permeated entry level luxury, but I do think a longitudinal engine/RWD based setup is mandatory beyond that lower level. A Lexus ES is a fine and comfortable car to ride around in. If people prioritize comfort in their luxury without caring much about the driving dynamics, an ES will fit them perfectly. You start going up in price and caring about driving dynamics and FWD simply won't do.
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