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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 06:20 PM
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4xe is also first gen hybrid tech from stellantis. The lexus rx and tx blend real well, just wish they put in more battery to really bump up the power numbers.

Legend has it the upcoming Morizo edition RX 6th gen will debut with a 600+ hp variant due to a hybrid 4 and supersized pack.
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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 06:41 PM
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My GS450h was amazing. Not plug in, but that was my intro into Hybrids and ever other car pales in comparison.
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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Framestead
4xe is also first gen hybrid tech from stellantis. The lexus rx and tx blend real well, just wish they put in more battery to really bump up the power numbers.

Legend has it the upcoming Morizo edition RX 6th gen will debut with a 600+ hp variant due to a hybrid 4 and supersized pack.
No it’s not, the Pentastar hybrid predates the 4xe significantly. This system is pretty much identical to Toyota’s hybrid system with an eCVT etc.

I don’t like CVTs but I think the CVT is actually better at blending the EV driving and engine driving. With a normal transmission the drivetrains feel totally separate. When I drove the S580e PHEV for instance I really disliked it.
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No it’s not, the Pentastar hybrid predates the 4xe significantly. This system is pretty much identical to Toyota’s hybrid system with an eCVT etc.

I don’t like CVTs but I think the CVT is actually better at blending the EV driving and engine driving. With a normal transmission the drivetrains feel totally separate. When I drove the S580e PHEV for instance I really disliked it.
i mispoke first phev for stell with 4 pot turbo.

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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 09:25 PM
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I don’t like CVTs but I think the CVT is actually better at blending the EV driving and engine driving. With a normal transmission the drivetrains feel totally separate. When I drove the S580e PHEV for instance I really disliked it.

Because of the torque-curve of the typical electric motor (and the high level of torque itself from that type of motor), most BEVs don;t even need a CVT....they use an even simpler single-range transmission. That's because, In electric motors, maximum torque comes at extremely low RPMs, theoretically at 0 RPM......the faster it spins, the less torque it has.

I remember test-driving the Tesla Model 3. Even in the standard, non-performance version, the low-speed torque was remarkable. I went to high-school with the best of the 60s-vintage American muscle-cars, and, with the (possible) exception of the 427 Shelby AC-Cobra roadster, the Model 3 would out-perform the best of them from 0-60...and, of course, handle better on a winding road.

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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 10:26 PM
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A colleague bought a Wrangler 4XE and it seems like she regularly has problems with it.
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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 10:38 PM
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There was a time when anything 4xe was able to leased for less the $300, and flipped for profit. Jeep posted a huge 4xe gain those three quarters.

I believe series 2 grand wagos have/had close to 20-25% in trunk money due to sluggish sales.

Wagoneer E same boat load of trunk money.

tbh, i dont know many models on jeep that sell close to sticker? maybe v8 trackhawks?
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I remember test-driving the Tesla Model 3. Even in the standard, non-performance version, the low-speed torque was remarkable. I went to high-school with the best of the 60s-vintage American muscle-cars, and, with the (possible) exception of the 427 Shelby AC-Cobra roadster, the Model 3 would out-perform the best of them from 0-60...and, of course, handle better on a winding road.
And so much more reliable than cars back then.
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Old Jun 1, 2025 | 11:14 PM
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And so much more reliable than cars back then.

Yes and no.....depends on the issue. Tesla vehicles, lately, have had their share of problems coming out of the factory. Ffor several years, they have been at or close to the bottom in Consumer Reports and J.D. Power reliability-surveys.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Because of the torque-curve of the typical electric motor (and the high level of torque itself from that type of motor), most BEVs don;t even need a CVT....they use an even simpler single-range transmission. That's because, In electric motors, maximum torque comes at extremely low RPMs, theoretically at 0 RPM......the faster it spins, the less torque it has.

I remember test-driving the Tesla Model 3. Even in the standard, non-performance version, the low-speed torque was remarkable. I went to high-school with the best of the 60s-vintage American muscle-cars, and, with the (possible) exception of the 427 Shelby AC-Cobra roadster, the Model 3 would out-perform the best of them from 0-60...and, of course, handle better on a winding road.
Well yeah, but the ICE needs a transmission. My issue with the S580e was it felt like a totally different car in EV mode vs hybrid mode because of the transmission. With the Pacifica it feels very similar whether its in EV mode or hybrid mode.
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Old Jun 2, 2025 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by neurocity
FWIW,
I got a 2024 Wrangler 4xe for a crazy deal. Leased it for basically $19K off the sticker price. But yeah, Wranglers are stupidly over priced and so are Broncos... Mostly because the suburban hive mind keeps paying the crazy prices.

I'm 7months in. I like the electric driving ability. But I'm going to happily hand those keys over 12/26.
Going back to Lexus.
Other halfs been at the dealership for 7 weeks.

Had to be towed to the dealership.
When it was "fixed", she tried to drive it off the lot, and couldn't.

They dont know when or how its gonna be fixed at this point.
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