Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.

Buick totally redesigns the 2025 Enclave.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-19-24, 11:24 AM
  #16  
tex2670
Lexus Champion
 
tex2670's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 10,021
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
Although I am not one of them, many people still want to save money by going with a leftover end-of-year model...that is why you often see factory-rebates or finance-deals on them. Those people will always be around.........I don't see that as a reason to put the brakes on new-model info.
They probably haven't finalized content, packages, pricing, etc. This is not unusual and not limited to Buick.
tex2670 is offline  
Old 04-19-24, 11:59 AM
  #17  
rosskoss
Advanced
 
rosskoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: US
Posts: 665
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Older model looks better I feel. Not feeling this latest one.
rosskoss is offline  
Old 04-19-24, 02:13 PM
  #18  
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 90,902
Received 86 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rosskoss
Older model looks better I feel. Not feeling this latest one.
I agree on the front end of the older one....but this new interior is striking.
mmarshall is offline  
Old 04-19-24, 06:15 PM
  #19  
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
 
SW17LS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 56,469
Received 2,680 Likes on 1,923 Posts
Default

The older one was seriously homely, IMO
SW17LS is online now  
Old 04-19-24, 07:26 PM
  #20  
FrankReynoldsCPA
Lexus Test Driver
 
FrankReynoldsCPA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 6,667
Received 90 Likes on 62 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
The older one was seriously homely, IMO
Understatement of the year.
FrankReynoldsCPA is offline  
Old 04-19-24, 08:12 PM
  #21  
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 90,902
Received 86 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
The older one was seriously homely, IMO
Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA​​​
Understatement of the year.
I guess that is where individual tastes differ. I'm not a big fan of the new shark-nose/Wildcat-inspired front ends, nor of the big dash-wide video-screens more and more automakers are now using, but it's hard to fault the new Avenir interior trim one the Enclave...that blue and beige is gorgeous. And the added room inside doesn't hurt, either.

Even so, I've been so pleased with my old Encore GX that I'd get another one in a second, even with the new shark-nose front end and large video screen.
mmarshall is offline  
Old 04-20-24, 05:37 AM
  #22  
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
 
SW17LS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 56,469
Received 2,680 Likes on 1,923 Posts
Default

It’s the difference between demographics. We’re the demographic they are trying to reach, and you’re the demographic they have traditionally reached. So, the fact that we like this and you liked the old car means it’s working.
SW17LS is online now  
Old 04-20-24, 09:37 AM
  #23  
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 90,902
Received 86 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
It’s the difference between demographics. We’re the demographic they are trying to reach, and you’re the demographic they have traditionally reached. So, the fact that we like this and you liked the old car means it’s working.

Don't misunderstand what I was saying. I only preferred the older design for its front end styling and dash-gauges....not the rest of the car. But the new Avenir interior (except for the dash) is a real knockout. And both the old and new Enclave are too big for my current needs.....one reason why I exchanged my Lacrosse for an Encore GX.

I wont comment on the old 3.6L V6 (which I also had in my Lacrosse) vs. the new turbo-4, since I have not sampled the new 4.
mmarshall is offline  
Old 05-04-24, 07:56 PM
  #24  
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 90,902
Received 86 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Buick (finally) just upgraded their website to include the 2025 Encore GX. Took a look tonight. I like the Aquamarine Blue Metallic paint option on the ST model...but it only comes as an option on the ST version, which also has only the 18" all-black wheels, which IMO are ugly. The 18" silver ones on the entry-level Preferred model are MUCH better-looking IMHO.

The top-level Avenir trim also has silver wheels, but they are "19" with 45-series tires......not enough sidewall for my tastes.





Last edited by mmarshall; 05-04-24 at 08:01 PM.
mmarshall is offline  
Old 05-04-24, 08:09 PM
  #25  
geko29
Super Moderator

 
geko29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: IL
Posts: 7,707
Received 274 Likes on 210 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
The top-level Avenir trim also has silver wheels, but they are "19" with 45-series tires......not enough sidewall for my tastes.
It's just a quarter-inch less sidewall than the tires on your Lacrosse, which you praised like they were the epitome of luxury.

Last edited by geko29; 05-04-24 at 08:15 PM.
geko29 is online now  
Old 05-04-24, 08:14 PM
  #26  
peteharvey
Lead Lap
 
peteharvey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ca
Posts: 4,247
Received 457 Likes on 302 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
The top-level Avenir trim also has silver wheels, but they are "19" with 45-series tires......not enough sidewall for my tastes.
Just do what I do, and downsize them by Minus 1 to 18", or even Minus 2 to 17".
peteharvey is offline  
Old 05-04-24, 08:26 PM
  #27  
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 90,902
Received 86 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by geko29
It's just a quarter-inch less sidewall than the tires on your Lacrosse, which you praised like they were the epitome of luxury.

No...not quite. the Lacrosse had 18" 50s on the sidewalls......my present Encore GX, 18" 55's. The Lacrosse had a markedly longer wheelbase and a softer suspension, though, which compensated for that.

My old Verano had 45s....which were OK over bumps in hot weather, when the tires and shock fluid both got softer and thinner, but were too stiff in the winter, when the tire rubber hardened and the shock-fluid got thicker from the cold.

My present Encore GX, BTW, unlike the Verano, rides fine both summer and winter.....it has the aforementioned 18" 55s. It's not the ride quality I dislike on those 18" black wheels on the 2025 ST version...just the solid black color. I have never liked all-black wheels.

Last edited by mmarshall; 05-04-24 at 08:39 PM.
mmarshall is offline  
Old 05-04-24, 08:31 PM
  #28  
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 90,902
Received 86 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by peteharvey
Just do what I do, and downsize them by Minus 1 to 18", or even Minus 2 to 17".
With today's vehicles, each one at the factory, in its electronic speedometer/odometer electronic sensors, is programmed for exactly the size wheel, suspension, and tire that was installed there. If you try and change it, it can mess up the sensors.

I'm not saying that you yourself didn't have reasonable success with it (you probably did).....I'm just not sure I'd want to try it, for several reasons.

Last edited by mmarshall; 05-04-24 at 08:40 PM.
mmarshall is offline  
Old 05-04-24, 08:41 PM
  #29  
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
 
SW17LS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 56,469
Received 2,680 Likes on 1,923 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
No...incorrect. the Lacrosse had 50s on the sidewalls......my present Encore GX, 55's. The Lacrosse had a markedly longer wheelbase and a softer suspension, though, which compensated for that.

My old Verano had 45s....which were OK over bumps in hot weather, when the tires and shock fluid both got softer and thinner, but were too stiff in the winter, when the tire rubber hardened and the shock-fluid got thicker from the cold.

My present Encore GX, BTW, unlike the Verano, rides fine both summer and winter.....it has the aforementioned 18" 55s. It's not the ride quality I dislike on those 18" black wheels on the 2025 ST version...just the solid black color. I have never liked all-black wheels.
You don’t understand how tire sizes work. “45 series tires” are not all the same sidewall height. The aspect ratio (the 45) means that the sidewall height is 45% of the tires tread width. So yes, a 45 series tire can have a taller sidewall than a 50 series tire if the 45 series tire is wider.

Your Lacrosse had wider tires than your Encore GX, so the sidewalls are very similar despite being different aspect ratios.
SW17LS is online now  
Old 05-04-24, 08:47 PM
  #30  
Toys4RJill
Lexus Fanatic
 
Toys4RJill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: ON/NY
Posts: 30,687
Received 63 Likes on 54 Posts
Default

Weak exterior design language





I like everything in the interior aside from the screens. Love the steering wheel colour.




too bad no smooth shifting slick V6.

I could see Buick folding in North America

Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-04-24 at 09:00 PM.
Toys4RJill is offline  


Quick Reply: Buick totally redesigns the 2025 Enclave.



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:59 AM.