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Old Jan 16, 2024 | 02:19 PM
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Are you going to replace your gas cars with EVs?
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Old Jan 16, 2024 | 02:26 PM
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Schools only close here if driving conditions make travel hazardous. We closed today because the light snow from yesterday got some rain and was icing up the roads. We also had a bunch of leftover snow days the last 2 years so they probably wanted to just use some up.

Unrelated note, Out of Spec did a cold weather idling challenge with a Model S with a warm battery and Model 3 that was cold soaked from parking outside. Consumption in 1 hour with simulated traffic and -10F weather was 3kWh for the S and 8 for the 3. Simulated traffic was slow speed (1-10 mph) with cabin temps set at around 72. I didn't watch the whole video because he likes to talk, but I did hear 72F mentioned earlier on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iooPeJLkXo0
What part of NJ do you live? I have one cousin who lives in Edison, and my wife has a relative that lives in South Jersey, no too far from PA. Both told me that when it gets into the negative temps they stay home unless there is a compelling reason to go out
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Old Jan 16, 2024 | 02:30 PM
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What part of NJ do you live? I have one cousin who lives in Edison, and my wife has a relative that lives in South Jersey, no too far from PA. Both told me that when it gets into the negative temps they stay home unless there is a compelling reason to go out
I'm in Central Jersey about 20 min from the PA border. I certainly stay in when the weather drops that cold, but the schools stay open unless the buses can't drive safely.
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Old Jan 16, 2024 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
This isn’t the first time it’s been cold Or is this the first time it’s garnered attention?
No, but some of the drivers who may be new to driving an EV in subzero weather will learn from the experience things to avoid doing, things to plan for, learn more about how these temps effect their EV's and when to just stay home.
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Old Jan 16, 2024 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
What part of NJ do you live? I have one cousin who lives in Edison, and my wife has a relative that lives in South Jersey, no too far from PA. Both told me that when it gets into the negative temps they stay home unless there is a compelling reason to go out
In PA they cancel schools if there is a tiny bit of snow on the roads. I lived in Sussex County, NJ winter is quite mild in a relative sense. It's nice countryside people think of Jersey as this industrial wasteland (that does exist) but some areas are quite beautiful.

Power grid is very unreliable if I was still there I'd have solar for sure.
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 01:32 PM
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Tesla Disaster As Cars Won't Charge in Freezing Cold
https://www.newsweek.com/tesla-disas...hicago-1861396

Maybe electric vehicles are for part time use preferably in mild climates. How someone can pay full price for a vehicle that he can not use in very cold winter days?
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Aegean

Tesla Disaster As Cars Won't Charge in Freezing Cold
https://www.newsweek.com/tesla-disas...hicago-1861396

Maybe electric vehicles are for part time use preferably in mild climates. How someone can pay full price for a vehicle that he can not use in very cold winter days?
Your assumptions are incorrect. Also, this has already been posted > https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ev-...her-range.html
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Aegean
Maybe electric vehicles are for part time use preferably in mild climates. How someone can pay full price for a vehicle that he can not use in very cold winter days?
I didn't know my Tesla stopped working, strange since it is driven daily regardless of temperature.
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 02:27 PM
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Your assumptions are incorrect. Also, this has already been posted > https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ev-...her-range.html
@Mike728 and @LeX2K , both of you live in cold climates (Lex in a deep freezer lol), do your Tesla's stop working? I talk to people on the Polestar forum who live in cold climates, many of them in Europe and other than reduced range, people seem fine. What's the truth here?
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 03:07 PM
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This is what I noticed, if the news article has Tesla in the title, and it says something negative about it, "a certain percentage of the population" will click on it.

Another example, on our local news, it can't say a tree fell on top of a car, nope, they must mention that it fell on a "Tesla". Because its the Tesla's fault to be driving by when the tree fell down. I assume the next logical thing would be to blame Elon for killing trees, you know, because thats logical lol.
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 03:14 PM
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For some reason, the cold snap just took down a bunch of superchargers and EA stations. Combine that with batteries that that had to warm up before getting any real juice and a ton of cheap-ish EVs hitting the market and you have what happened last week
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
@LeX2K , you live in cold climates (Lex in a deep freezer lol), do your Tesla's stop working?
No it drove fine. I purposely did not pre-heat the cabin or touch the car at all let it sit outside overnight it got to -37. I wasn't foolish and let the battery drain down to 10% or something just like I wouldn't let my gas cars be low on fuel when a cold snap hits.

Tesla powered up and drove no problem at all. You could FEEL the cold, tires are like rocks steering felt a bit stiff. Suspension doesn't move properly, but this are not EV things they are car things. Sure some Tesla's may not operate but that's the same as gas cars. There were MANY cars that didn't start people were in service centers desperately trying to get their car looked at because it was dead. I jumped several people. Were plenty of cars abandonded because they died, this always happens during extreme cold. Some gas stations froze no one could pump fuel. If you have a diesel you're screwed the fuel does not flow properly at -30 it gels up.

Now charging, that's something you have to account for when it's super cold it starts off slow. And you will probably have no regen at all until the battery pack warms up bit.
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
Schools only close here if driving conditions make travel hazardous. We closed today because the light snow from yesterday got some rain and was icing up the roads. We also had a bunch of leftover snow days the last 2 years so they probably wanted to just use some up.

Unrelated note, Out of Spec did a cold weather idling challenge with a Model S with a warm battery and Model 3 that was cold soaked from parking outside. Consumption in 1 hour with simulated traffic and -10F weather was 3kWh for the S and 8 for the 3. Simulated traffic was slow speed (1-10 mph) with cabin temps set at around 72. I didn't watch the whole video because he likes to talk, but I did hear 72F mentioned earlier on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iooPeJLkXo0
Yeah, good results for both.

He also went to Chicago to see what the problem was, seems like mostly Uber drivers who didn't precondition their vehicles and then thought their cars wouldn't charge while it was trying to heat up on chargers first, before charging the battery. People left cables in snow which made them freeze too.

So why Chicago and not Canada or other parts of country that froze - lots of uber drivers who know nothing about evs
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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 07:05 PM
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One thing I found out (which seems obvious in retrospect) is a gas car in a garage radiates a bunch of heat after its parked, with an EV you don't get this. Won't notice most days but when it's bitter cold it makes a difference sitting in a garage. So ultimately a gas car is better in very cold weather if you can get past the initial start (if it starts). I can tell you no one enjoys getting gas when it's super cold, and the full serve attendants damn they have it rough.

I did screw up a bit I should have tried charging when the car was stone cold @ -37C. I planned ahead the car was around 70% when I parked it outside that night. And when it got home the car was warm. Opportunity missed.

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Old Jan 17, 2024 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K

I did screw up a bit I should have tried charging when the car was stone cold @ -37C. I planned ahead the car was around 70% when I parked it outside that night. And when it got home the car was warm. Opportunity missed.
Brrrrr Dang. Lol
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