General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
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I became a true interior snob the minute my brother bought a C5 Corvette when we were teens. That car was truly the plastic fantastic.
He is still an American muscle guy but thank goodness they’re built to higher standards nowadays. Greta car on the track though despite the numb steering.
He is still an American muscle guy but thank goodness they’re built to higher standards nowadays. Greta car on the track though despite the numb steering.
And that's great.
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Bit, I'm not moving goal posts.. I'm not playing games. I just don't care about EVs, not really. Nothing personal, it's just like food. I don't care that you can beat me on this street. You can't beat me to other cities in an urgent and very dire situation, that's 100% guaranteed. I just went through it with an ICE vehicle, stopped once to get gas and was even flustered with that. Charging I couldn't imagine.
You absolutely do move the goalposts when you care about a specific performance metric and then shift that to another performance metric when it’s demonstrated to you that a vehicle you don’t like out performs yours in that metric. “Oh but it can’t do this”, that’s the very definition of moving the goalposts lol
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But you do care that you can beat a 1.5L Accord with your LX. It’s a double standard, you either care about performance of a vehicle or you don’t.
You absolutely do move the goalposts when you care about a specific performance metric and then shift that to another performance metric when it’s demonstrated to you that a vehicle you don’t like out performs yours in that metric. “Oh but it can’t do this”, that’s the very definition of moving the goalposts lol
You absolutely do move the goalposts when you care about a specific performance metric and then shift that to another performance metric when it’s demonstrated to you that a vehicle you don’t like out performs yours in that metric. “Oh but it can’t do this”, that’s the very definition of moving the goalposts lol
Why does that Denali have the Corvette engine? The 5.3L is more than good enough. People pay more for the bigger 6.2. Why offer the High output non-Hurricane because the regular is more than adequate.
I don't care that Bit's Hyundai will beat my LX, at all. Lol. Most EVs would I would imagine. But I would not buy one because they can't do things that I specifically want. And that's okay...
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Certainly some people care, but sales figures tell the story. The Camry had a V6 because that was a common engine at the time, then they found that almost nobody bought the V6, so they discontinued it. At one time Accords had a V6 too.
Honda removed the 2.0T, and their sales are up. Again, it’s a business. They looked at what people were buying and what they were saying was the most important to them and they adjusted their offerings to reflect those wants.
Most consumers just don’t care how many cylinders their cars have or what they do 0-60, overwhelmingly they care about fuel economy. Lots of surveys and studies show that. Different vehicles have buyers who want different things. GM obviously finds their truck consumers want those engines. Honda has found their Accord consumers don’t. Simple.
Honda removed the 2.0T, and their sales are up. Again, it’s a business. They looked at what people were buying and what they were saying was the most important to them and they adjusted their offerings to reflect those wants.
Most consumers just don’t care how many cylinders their cars have or what they do 0-60, overwhelmingly they care about fuel economy. Lots of surveys and studies show that. Different vehicles have buyers who want different things. GM obviously finds their truck consumers want those engines. Honda has found their Accord consumers don’t. Simple.
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Most consumers just don’t care how many cylinders their cars have or what they do 0-60, overwhelmingly they care about fuel economy. Lots of surveys and studies show that. Different vehicles have buyers who want different things. GM obviously finds their truck consumers want those engines. Honda has found their Accord consumers don’t. Simple.
And we'll see about the Accord. I predict they'll bring something back that performs way better.
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Which is my whole point, you are making it for me here. People care. Why are most Yukons sold as Denalis? A biggie is the 6.2L engine.
And we'll see about the Accord. I predict they'll bring something back that performs way better.
And we'll see about the Accord. I predict they'll bring something back that performs way better.
Performance and Accord don’t go together and don’t need to.
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Chassis excellence in engineering, design, and real world performance.
Go back as far as you possibly can and you'll find nothing but praise for the frisky chassis, as if it's engineered for the enthusiast. Read every C&D 10 Best list it's been on for however many years. Honda kills it with the chassis engineering and makes it fun to drive. Honda is good with that. It had the engine to go along with the goods...until now.
Neutering the powertrain to a hybrid (lots of people don't want to drive a hybrid) was just pitiful. I really think something spicier will be back.
Do you still think there won't be new 5.3L V8 Chevy trucks in 2030 since we brought up wagers? It's been a year or two since we've mentioned it. That's only 6 years away now.
