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Go back up there and listen to the thing start. Even worse than I could have imagined.
Might as well go all EV if they’re gonna ruin the great ICE in it anyway.
Nobody will buy these over here, at least I don’t think. Sales will be way lower. It weighs more than a W140 and curiously I haven’t seen any MPG numbers, not that I care but that’s why cars like this are all ruined and others dead.
Not everyone cares about outright speed, which is what the MB guys are wrong about…. even though this really isn’t much faster than the V8 one.
My Mercedes is fast but nothing like these cars. Would I trade that glorious M113 V8 in it for anything downsized, less cylinders for more speed? Absolutely f’n not. Every time I start it that German V8 starter whir and the V8 sound tickles my fancy.
^ This exactly. And if it's the "quickest car he's ever driven" even more reason to be a full EV instead of an i4 hybrid.. what a shame we went from two amazing muscle sedans with the 204/205 V8 C63s to a boring and heavy 4-cyl hybrid. Would've been a lot more interesting to retain the V8 paired with a hybrid.
What's funny is that the C63 weighs some 3-400 pounds more than both the former V8 model and a Tesla Model 3 Performance. A near 5000-pound 4-cylinder compact car, might as well just go full EV at that point.
Don't think one or two posters speak for all of us, I thoroughly enjoy your posts and I'm sure others do as well. :-)
I understand wordiness can get to be overwhelming to parse through, but the misinformation claim baffled me and I would need proof of it, in order to correct course and do better (if even needed). It can be very challenging to gauge reception towards my commentary on this forum, which is not even in relation to signdetres's comment, but a select number of CL users' subtly aloof (sometimes passive-aggressive) nature towards me. And they know who they are too, in that context...
I'm glad MB didn't abandon this product nor remove a 6 cylinder, which it has always had available since it was introduced in 1965 as the 2.3L I6 Mercedes-Benz 230 on the Fintail Facelift. From the next generation W114 to the W123 (1976 model) to W124 (1985), W210 (1995), W211 (2002), W212 (2009), and W213 (2016), MB has always at least offered a 6 cylinder in these cars. A V8 being gone, is understandable and I can accept it.
1965 to 1968 Mercedes-Benz 230 2.3L I6 Sedan (Fintail Facelift) First 6-Cylinder mid-model Mercedes-Benz sedan (400 E was the first V8 midsize Benz in October 1991)
A V8 was only something MB added in the early 90s, to play catchup with Lexus and Infiniti potentially affecting their market share. Although MB had always planned the fire-breathing V8 500 E of 1991 influenced by Porsche, the smaller 1992 400 E was an 11th hour decision in 1989 to combat Lexus, so the 4.2L V8 from the upcoming 1992 (W140) 400 SE was shoehorned into the midsize W124 ($60k), to better match Lexus on price ($45k) where the incoming W140 400 SE for 1992 couldn't at $80,500.
I think MB product planners in 1989, had heard the rumors about the Lexus midsize below the LS 400 (1993 GS) and expected a 1992/93 GS 400, probably because of the incoming Aristo indeed having a V8 in JDM as UZS143 by 1992, not knowing Lexus wouldn't even offer the V8 elsewhere until the 2nd gen in late 1997. Auto journalists are often to blame for giving credence to such rumors in the 20th century, prompting competitive moves at times.
The W124 500 E /E 500 wasn't an AMG, but eventually the E55 AMG joined the mix next generation, followed by E63 in 2006 as the V8 halo model, continuing through 2023. Now the V8 is gone, which is okay with me. The W206 C-Class being I4 sucks, but that should be expected when the original 190E was I4 NA and not even turbocharged upon intro in 1982-83. The later 190E 2.6 and other "Evolution" high performance toys, were a nice model line expansion for the compact Benz, but returning to form isn't surprising with a I4 only lineup.
Originally Posted by Motorola
It is confounding and unfortunate that Carmaker1 would be accused of spreading misinformation when straight-up clickbait garbage fantasies from the likes of Kirk Kreifels are frequently posted here.
On the subject of the E-Class, I honestly could not even tell the differences at first glance beyond the slightly bigger grille and hilariously tacky logo tail-lamps. but Sketch Monkey did a good job going all over the differences:
I think this will be one of those vehicles where, like the new S-Class, you can't really appreciate until you see it in person, next to its predecessor. And if the future of Mercedes design will be the EQ vehicles, I would rather they just tweak the existing design!
I'm also (pleasently) surprised that they kept the inline 6 instead of moving to all 4-poppers like the C-Class. But if we are getting the rumored 4-cylidner AMG variants for the E-Class, it'll be dead to me.
I am really pleased that they kept the I6 myself, after seeing the W206 and hearing a mention somewhere back in 2021, that the W214 would lose both a V8 and 6 cylinder, I lost interest in that too. I guess I had more focused concerns, which is why I didn't know much about MB BEV plans and missed something big time.
Thankfully the EQ designs won't be the future, but the future W224 (S-Class), W207 (C-Class), and W215 (E-Class) might exist by 2030. Usually a new S-Class is signed off with final styling 4 years to market, but if BEV only, hopefully they can shorten that time gap being 2-3 years to market instead.
I remember seeing the current S-Class already in spy photos in February 2018 and mules of that before in September 2017, meaning that the rumor of final design approval in 2016 was correct (takes 1+ years to go from final body to public testing). Since that's due in late 2027 (most likely), they'd need to be done in late 2023 with styling. Feels like just yesterday, the current W223 S-Class came out. Now that the E-Class is just about out, the next is almost already done.
As for me, I appreciate that. I've been really occupied with work and travelling the past several days, so I wasn't quick to login and respond. Kirk Kriefels I felt for him just trying to hustle for his young family and sympathize, but now I am angry at him deliberately passing off careless theories as credible insight and not being more responsible. I expect better from people to read between the lines, but since it doesn't happen, my goal for everyone to be on the same page isn't met.
I totally get @signdetres 's frustration with misinformation, but I don't understand where I play into that in most cases. I don't comment much here, so I don't see where anything I've said here matches misinformation. Sure, I might have been fed misinformation on the 2024 Tacoma powertrains and some BS mild hybrid on the GX 550 (it's not hybrid) by a Lexus dealer GM. The wrong Tacoma info came directly from multiple Toyota personnel sharing what I believed to be credible information with me. I know why that happened and I've lost trust in many of them, for duping me instead of a simple "I don't answer questions". When it comes to discussion on Car Chat and Model Subforums, I have no idea where I would provide misinformation like vloggers do. It's confusing to me, but I can move on and focus back on Mercedes instead.
Here's what the stock V8 sounded like, I don't care if the new one has 3000 horsepower.... I don't want it. I reallllly think hardly anyone will buy these in the United States and I'll be watching the sales figures.
I don’t understand how this E-class thread turned into an opportunity to whine some more about the C63. Can we keep that contained to the various C63 threads please?
I don’t understand how this E-class thread turned into an opportunity to whine some more about the C63. Can we keep that contained to the various C63 threads please?
Sorry, the idea wasn't to take anything off topic. It was to establish, I can understand and accept what they did to the powertrains of the entry-mid level MRA 2 products, from observing their pre-1990s heritage with 190, W123 / W124 (Mk1), and W126 S-Class. The turbocharged 3.0 I6 PHEV as the range-topping W214 E63 AMG is reasonable, outside of the ridiculous nomenclature (like Lexus).
Leave the aftermarket, to worry about needing such a thing (V8) below the S-Class. I consider myself neutral in that matter, as I would never buy an E-Class in my case ever. I prefer high performance compacts or full sized products (S-Class).
I find it a little cool, how MB is doing it like the old school days. Like back up until 1984-85ish where only the S-Class offered a V8 (500 SEL), while the top trim midsize car below it was the 280 E I6 (W123). Then below that, the gasser 190E 2.3 I4 was the "best" compact model. After that structure was abandoned, we've had extreme AMG models all over the place, but now you'll just have S 63 AMG V8 with PHEV exclusively, followed by E 63 AMG with I6 PHEV exclusively, and then C 63 AMG PHEV with the I4. It's a pattern that makes sense to me at least. Small, medium, and large being different for once.
Finally saw the interior without the Hyperscreen and it's actually quite nice. No giant slabs of piano gloss black like the EQ vehicles or S and C Class, and the center screen is actually fairly well-integrated. Still not a fan of the sole iPad gauges without the binnacles, wish it could be set up more like the SL. Overall, I think I do like this generation more than the outgoing model. Easily trumps the new 5 Series, which has a very disappointing exterior and interior.
Very nice integration of the screen and center stack. Not sure why it took two generations and several other tacky copy-cats to make a decent looking dash with a big screen. Well done (finally).
The E Class, A6 and 5 Series hit the sweet spot for me in terms of size, amenities and performance although I'm not sure about the new 5 Series exterior styling.
The E Class, A6 and 5 Series hit the sweet spot for me in terms of size, amenities and performance although I'm not sure about the new 5 Series exterior styling.
The inside of the new 5 is plastic fantastic. Switchgear is cheap, and lower doorbins were hard plastic. Really surprised me when I went to the local dealership. Even more bizarre is that in the US market, we don't even have rear climate controls available. And no adaptive suspension or rear wheel steering unless you get the i5 M60.
Also, BMW pulled a fast one with the audio system - the 700W Harmon Kardon in the G30 is now renamed to the B&W system in the G60, while the crappy 200W base system is now rebranded as the HK system.
