Yup. Toyotas have had that position on the lighting stalk for many years.

 

None of the vehicles I've drove have an option to turn off DRLS. Even if you can turn them off, its no different from turning your wipers off. They should be on while driving.

 

I'm not shouting. Rather its meant to be assertive in this subject. Idk, Its not like I just design automotive optics in CAD or anything. LOL.

Again, I'm not going to state any laws or refer to any mandates in writing, because the evidence is right there in front of you.

What was once used as a safety feature, has become VISUAL NOISE with all the new LED DRLs.

 

keep digging your hole.... LOL.

 

So my 2007 Lexus IS 250 had the option to turn them off in the LPS, but not your GS 350? Ok, sure.

"No different that wipers"? You understand that wipers are not meant to be active all the time...right???

 

The true sign of the person who has no idea what they are talking about. "I don't have to provide evidence to support my proposition; YOU should provide evidence that I am wrong and that no law or regulation exists." LOL ... Loud and wrong.

 

And i'm telling that the evidence is there simply by looking at the cars on the road. As for why Mazda didn't have while most others did? I have no clue tbh.

 

Thread ruined by DRL talk.

 

"Most others" - definitive evidence that DRLs were mandated by US regs. "no clue" is correct.

So, if all cars on the road have a radio or air conditioning or a clock, this is mandated by US law?

I'm happy to keep arguing the point with you, just because it keeps making you look more uninformed.

 

Ok you're right. I made the mistake. It was regulation within the car industry and not within state law.

Still though, the manus implemented it as a safety factor, irregardless of state laws. And I'm sure the manus know more about driving than the state, since idk they make cars and everything..

 

LOL, you didn't need to tell me I was right--I already knew that. I guess it's kinda big of you to admit it tho.

No one ever said it's not a safety feature. Lots of safety features aren't mandated by law.

 

Ngl it was tough to admit i was incorrect lol but yea I was confusing state laws with manufacturer standards. But thats the thing though, I liked the standards they used back then. Every body was on the same page until they started to do their own thing with the DRLs.

The funny thing is, I shouldve caught this sooner because the small business I have deals with the exact same situation where I'm trying to push a product for safety and into a law which does not exist yet.

 

No, you're not going to state any laws or refer to mandates in writing because they DO NOT EXIST. I gave you the documentation above where DOT and NHTSA REFUSED to make DRLs mandatory, after years of petitioning by the manufactures.

The evidence of a regulation's existence is the text of that regulation, not a "well this is how MY car was built". In this case, the NHTSA regulation on lighting is FVMSS 108, which can be found here: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...sec571-108.xml

Here is the FULL list of every type of lighting and reflective device required by the regulation:



This is an extremely specific list, as most regulations tend to be. Funny how the word "Daytime" appears nowhere on it.

 

Well, maybe when you are posting on an internet forum, and multiple people are telling you that what you are posting is incorrect, you step back and rethink your proposition and acknowledge that it's *possible" that another person does, in fact, know relevant information, rather than just double and triple down.

Just a thought....

 

I did not like BMW moving away from the "Corona" style DRLs. The LCI updates to the 3-Series and what they've done with the '23/'24 X# models are better (but I don't like the X7 split headlight style), but I still think the "Coronas" are best.