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Old 05-21-18, 08:22 AM
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Hi I am a new owner of a 2015 Lexus RCF
I had a quick question even though it might of been answer but i'm not to sure how to use the forums. Yesterday I was on Manuel mode and I was just hitting the throttle very lightly and shift maybe around 4k Rpms. Once it shift to 2nd gear I felt the normal jerk from the gears switching. Then something weird happen i notice when im in 2nd gear and around 3500-4000 rpm i get this random slight jerk! it almost felt like it was shifting again but it wasn't it was still on 2nd gear. I have talked to couple people and they said 2nd hear is the most powerful and that might be what im feeling. and also something to mention is that is does not happen in auto. I was wondering if any of you guys had notice this problem and if you try to replicate what I did to see if it also happens to your RCF. I would feel alot better if its just how all the RCF are. Thank you!
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I think i feel the same thing.. manual and S+ mode regular throttle through 2nd it does a "twitch"
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Yes, completely normal. If you have stiffer rear tires (or inflate your tires up to around 38 psi, like me), it will be borderline violent at part-throttle. The reason is, in manual mode they wanted to give it a mechanical engagement feel so the chief engineer designed the tranny to lock-up the torque converter in manual mode from 2nd to 8th so that there is no parasitic slippage. So it feels like a single-clutch automated box in manual mode. I absolutely love how it throws your head back when you suddenly accelerate in 1st gear part-throttle and shift at around 5000 rpm. My wife hates it though and asks me to drive gently LOL
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Old 05-21-18, 12:45 PM
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Hey man thanks for replying! is this also true if I do not have TVD torque converter?
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Originally Posted by Ratedg
I think i feel the same thing.. manual and S+ mode regular throttle through 2nd it does a "twitch"
As long as other lexus RCF owner feels the same haha, I just don't want it to something wrong with the transmission. Have you heard this from other owners?
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Originally Posted by 05RollaXRS
Yes, completely normal. If you have stiffer rear tires (or inflate your tires up to around 38 psi, like me), it will be borderline violent at part-throttle. The reason is, in manual mode they wanted to give it a mechanical engagement feel so the chief engineer designed the tranny to lock-up the torque converter in manual mode from 2nd to 8th so that there is no parasitic slippage. So it feels like a single-clutch automated box in manual mode. I absolutely love how it throws your head back when you suddenly accelerate in 1st gear part-throttle and shift at around 5000 rpm. My wife hates it though and asks me to drive gently LOL
<br />Hey man thanks for replying! is this also true if I do not have TVD torque converter?
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Originally Posted by Ryandthach
<br />Hey man thanks for replying! is this also true if I do not have TVD torque converter?
Yeah, it is entirely transmission so it is irrespective of TVD. They did not use a dual clutch, but wanted to mimic sequential manual behavior in manual mode. I absolutely love that it completely eliminates "slushbox" feel in manual mode.
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Originally Posted by 05RollaXRS
Yeah, it is entirely transmission so it is irrespective of TVD. They did not use a dual clutch, but wanted to mimic sequential manual behavior in manual mode. I absolutely love that it completely eliminates "slushbox" feel in manual mode.
Thanks man I can finally stop worrying about it lol, is there an article where you read this from? would love to learn more about the car.
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Originally Posted by Ryandthach
Thanks man I can finally stop worrying about it lol, is there an article where you read this from? would love to learn more about the car.
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http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_p...rticle_id=1519


The Lexus IS F 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift Transmission: Conquering a Stereotype


Conventional wisdom has long held that a good manual transmission is always faster and more fun than an automatic transmission: Faster because it directly transfers power without the typical power loss of a torque converter, and more fun because it responds exactly to the driver’s commands with no delay. Fast, direct, fully controllable and predictable – exactly the desired qualities in any “driver’s car.” Moreover, precisely the qualities that describe the new Lexus IS F’s 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift transmission. The transmission is an arrow through the heart of conventional wisdom. But why go to the trouble of creating an automatic transmission that performs better and faster than a manual? After all, the simple yet effective manual transmission is held in high esteem by driving enthusiasts everywhere. Engineers love a challenge and when the IS F Chief Engineer dared his staff to build a paradigm-changing highperformance car, the conventional automatic transmission was a ripe target. Why? The IS F would not meet their lofty goals with anything less than a complete re-think of the gearbox. Goals that included scintillating track performance. You may not care much about the detail and might feel that driving is the only proof you need. If so, you’re encouraged to get some IS F seat time at your earliest opportunity. But if you would like to know how Lexus built the world’s fastest shifting automatic transmission, read on. Moving from Weakness to Strength In the process of creating a maximum performance car, Lexus has done nothing less than turn what is typically thought to be a weakness into a solid advantage. To illustrate the point, let’s get right to the qualities that make it so: · The among the world’s fastest shift time for street legal production cars. At 0.1 second, it’s faster than you. · Full manual shift control that can be instantly accessed by moving the console-mounted shift lever to “M” and then using either the steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters or the shift lever. In manual mode, it shifts only when you tell it to. · A direct feel unrivaled by conventional automatics, made possible via clutch lockup (yes, like a manual) employed in second through eighth gears · Ultra-quick throttle blipping downshifts match engine and gear speed to avoid sudden engine braking—an advantage during performance driving, on the track or on the road · First gear torque multiplication for maximum off-the-line acceleration · Smooth, yet quick and drama free automatic shifting, if that is what you desire These qualities add up to create a track-worthy ultra-high performance transmission that works for you, not against you, by responding to your demands the moment you want or need it to. And unlike other transmissions built for high performance duty, there is no pain required for your gain. Speed is EssentialThe most important quality in the development of the new gearbox was shift speed. Incredibly, the team looked at the world’s fastest shifting transmissions for reference and inspiration: Formula One. A 5/21/2018 The Lexus IS F 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift Transmission: Conquering a Stereotype http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_p...rticle_id=1519 2/3 typical F1 transmission shift time is approx. 0.05 seconds, with virtually imperceptible lag. The IS F shifts occur in approximately 1/10th of a second. The charts below put the remarkable shift speed of the IS F’s transmission in perspective. Begin with a Robust Design… The transmission team started with a new 8-speed automatic transmission design from the LS 460. This may sound like physical overkill but IS F would have notably more power than the LS and certainly be driven more aggressively, so a robust design was required. The cleverly designed gearbox is relatively light and uses a special planetary gear set that allows a more compact design. The whole unit weighs only 96.3 kg yet has more than enough torque capacity for the IS F’s 5.0-liter engine. …and Relentlessly Pursue Efficiency The team that designed and developed the transmission knew that they had to think without boundaries to achieve the type of performance on both road and track that skilled drivers demand. The surprising results are rooted in two key areas: Shift/lockup clutch operation and shift control. It also doesn’t hurt to have eight speeds in the g‘box. The so-called lockup clutch is not new to automatic transmissions, but the control strategy is. Traditional automatics have used the lockup clutch to make them more efficient by creating a direct power path between the engine and transmission. This is normally done in the upper gears and in low load operations to preserve smoothness while gaining fuel economy. The IS F turns this idea on its head by employing lockup in all gears except first when in manual mode. This eliminates any power loss from torque converter from 2nd through 8th gear while preserving desirable torque multiplication in first gear for stunning launch acceleration. The result is a direct feel unlike any other automatic, and right now response to the throttle. This lockup scenario surely creates excessive shift shock, you say? The intentional result is much more in the “useful feedback” category than shock. And remember we’re still in manual mode; Shifts are quite smooth and quick in auto mode but manual is so addicting, you may never look back. Add Strategic Control… In order to create the virtually instant upshifts (in manual mode), Lexus engineers developed new methods to control the hydraulic pressure that actuates the transmission clutches. A high flow-rate linear solenoid is one of the key elements that work together with special computer programming to provide quick and precise control in concert with engine torque. Ultra quick shifts—when you want them—are the outcome. The ability of the transmission to respond only to your commands yields a manual mode that is true to its name. It shifts only when you ask it to, and not when it thinks it should. In addition, a modified manual mode is readily accessible without even touching the shift lever. When driving in “D,” one only needs to tap the downshift paddle once to move into the modified manual mode. In this mode, one can shift manually as desired; the system returns to automatic when the vehicle is stopped or driven at a constant speed for a time. 5/21/2018 The Lexus IS F 8-Speed Sport Direct Shift Transmission: Conquering a Stereotype http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_p...rticle_id=1519 3/3 …and Performance without Pain is AssuredThe IS F Sport Direct Shift transmission manages to be both an amazingly effective manual and a refined automatic. One stereotype…conquered
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Old 05-22-18, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 05RollaXRS
Awesome! thanks man. Feel better but just frustrating since some RCF have no idea what we are talking about. Just strange how they do not feel it.
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Love how it bangs through the gears! Thanks for the article!
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While it is quick, it's far from the quickest, even when they published this article. It's the quickest conventional automatic but not even in the same realm as a DSG which is around 5 msec these days. They also have their own issues.

What I truly like best is the locked up torque converter once you get out of first. When you lift the throttle, it behaves exactly the same as a manual and provides engine braking which is normally dampened by the torque converter in a conventional automatic. The other thing our gearbox does is allows you to change gears in places where it would normally be impossible. I was in the middle of turn 11 at CMP (very slow turn) and was one gear too high. I was able to downshift without upsetting the car despite being in a controlled lateral slide. You can't do this with a manual, you can only suffer your bad decision and ride it out.
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