What is and isn't a Lexus?????
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What is and isn't a Lexus?????
hey everyone,
i accumulated some sales figures and i thought i would pass them on.
all of these figures are YTD 03.
Lexus
IS................10954
ES .............47453
GS 300.......8614
GS 430..... 1602
LS...............15583
SC..............7919
total cars.......92125
total Lexus only automobiles.....36753
MB
sedans
C.............38629
E..............38871
S.............15981
coupes
CLK........7335
C............8725
CL.........2597
wagons
C.............2950
E...............408
convertibles
SL..........8891
SLK.......4863
CLK.......6898
Total cars.............136148
Total MB only vehicles........136148
now onto SUVS
Lexus
RX........66015
GX........21846
LX.........6023
total Lexus only suv..........0
total all SUV......93884
MB
M..........21942
G...........1361
total Mercedes only suv.....23303
total all suv..........23303
so what have we learned here?????
that Lexus is only 1 step ahead of Acura and nowhere close to being equal to Mercedes Benz.
if Lexus didn't have rebadged toyotas ...especially the suv's it's sales would truly be insignificant.
Lexus overall has a very limited line of vehicles. 36753 Lexus only cars sold!!!!!!!!!
like i said before....who is chasing who???
i accumulated some sales figures and i thought i would pass them on.
all of these figures are YTD 03.
Lexus
IS................10954
ES .............47453
GS 300.......8614
GS 430..... 1602
LS...............15583
SC..............7919
total cars.......92125
total Lexus only automobiles.....36753
MB
sedans
C.............38629
E..............38871
S.............15981
coupes
CLK........7335
C............8725
CL.........2597
wagons
C.............2950
E...............408
convertibles
SL..........8891
SLK.......4863
CLK.......6898
Total cars.............136148
Total MB only vehicles........136148
now onto SUVS
Lexus
RX........66015
GX........21846
LX.........6023
total Lexus only suv..........0
total all SUV......93884
MB
M..........21942
G...........1361
total Mercedes only suv.....23303
total all suv..........23303
so what have we learned here?????
that Lexus is only 1 step ahead of Acura and nowhere close to being equal to Mercedes Benz.
if Lexus didn't have rebadged toyotas ...especially the suv's it's sales would truly be insignificant.
Lexus overall has a very limited line of vehicles. 36753 Lexus only cars sold!!!!!!!!!
like i said before....who is chasing who???
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that i don't know....but i'll check.
also i just counted up Acura"s sales.......cars......84610
suv's.....41617
total...........126227
it seems to me that Acura is right on Lexus's tail.
also i just counted up Acura"s sales.......cars......84610
suv's.....41617
total...........126227
it seems to me that Acura is right on Lexus's tail.
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If you’re talking about WW Sales, then it’s not really a fair comparison for how you’re trying to make your point given the limited countries the Lexus Brand is sold in. In REAL numbers, post the sales that are for the United States only. Sure MB is going to outsell Lexus WW, they sell EVERYWHERE.
If you want to have a discussion on these topics, being you’re a true MB fan at heart, at least post some reasonable data for us to debate with rather then one sided or unknown types of data.
If you want to have a discussion on these topics, being you’re a true MB fan at heart, at least post some reasonable data for us to debate with rather then one sided or unknown types of data.
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Originally posted by S55inPA
that i don't know....but i'll check.
that i don't know....but i'll check.
Sales numbers always vary widely depending on when the new models are introduced.
Last edited by DaveGS4; Nov 10, 2003 at 12:47 PM.
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Post the source pls.
Also, is there a reason to come in here trying to bring Lexus down and push the MB? While Lexus owners are keeping a very civil discussion over the things you are posting, it is getting harder and harder for us to do so. What I am trying to say is that you are walking a very thin line between trolling (instigating flamewars) and actually giving some interesting discussion points here.
I can argue very well with whatever you have posted but I see no point. This has been discussed way too many times before.
Also, is there a reason to come in here trying to bring Lexus down and push the MB? While Lexus owners are keeping a very civil discussion over the things you are posting, it is getting harder and harder for us to do so. What I am trying to say is that you are walking a very thin line between trolling (instigating flamewars) and actually giving some interesting discussion points here.
I can argue very well with whatever you have posted but I see no point. This has been discussed way too many times before.
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Originally posted by S55inPA
so what have we learned here?????
that Lexus is only 1 step ahead of Acura and nowhere close to being equal to Mercedes Benz.
if Lexus didn't have rebadged toyotas ...especially the suv's it's sales would truly be insignificant.
Lexus overall has a very limited line of vehicles. 36753 Lexus only cars sold!!!!!!!!!
like i said before....who is chasing who???
so what have we learned here?????
that Lexus is only 1 step ahead of Acura and nowhere close to being equal to Mercedes Benz.
if Lexus didn't have rebadged toyotas ...especially the suv's it's sales would truly be insignificant.
Lexus overall has a very limited line of vehicles. 36753 Lexus only cars sold!!!!!!!!!
like i said before....who is chasing who???
I'd wager that members on our forum care much more about the quality and reliability of our cars... something that Lexus does better than anyone else, including Mercedes. If sales do matter that much, how about a post comparing Mercedes sales to General Motors and Ford sales? Or if they are just "rebadged Toyotas" (which to me means you haven't done any homework on current Lexus models), you should include Toyota sales in your counts for comparison. It's a totally different sales model than Mercedes.
Last edited by DaveGS4; Nov 10, 2003 at 01:14 PM.
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Originally posted by S55inPA
plus a little editorial content
plus a little editorial content
Last edited by DaveGS4; Nov 10, 2003 at 01:05 PM.
call Lexus a line of "rebadged Toyotas" if you wish, but I would proudly own a JDM TOYOTA Aristo twin-turbo before ANY, and I mean ANY MB!! But hey, that's just me. Might as well actually get what you are paying for, right?
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Originally posted by ebruceii
call Lexus a line of "rebadged Toyotas" if you wish, but I would proudly own a JDM TOYOTA Aristo twin-turbo before ANY, and I mean ANY MB!! But hey, that's just me. Might as well actually get what you are paying for, right?
call Lexus a line of "rebadged Toyotas" if you wish, but I would proudly own a JDM TOYOTA Aristo twin-turbo before ANY, and I mean ANY MB!! But hey, that's just me. Might as well actually get what you are paying for, right?
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hey guys,
one thing these sales figures should tell you is that Lexus really
isn't the equal of MB. maybe in the future but right now it is not.
i was very surprised by the very very low amount of Lexus only cars sold
in the US.
would any of you have guessed that just 36753 Lexus only cars were
sold in the US so far this year?????
the numbers also tell you that when you look at the brand in total....that is
Lexus.....what you see is an off shoot of Toyota still trying to establish
itself in the high end luxury market place. maybe this is to understood....maybe not??
as for starting a "flame war".....don't shoot the messenger
because you don't like the message.
heck i've owned 2 hondas, 2 acuras, 4 mitsu's, 7 toyotas....it's not like
i am anti japanese when it comes to my purchases.
one thing these sales figures should tell you is that Lexus really
isn't the equal of MB. maybe in the future but right now it is not.
i was very surprised by the very very low amount of Lexus only cars sold
in the US.
would any of you have guessed that just 36753 Lexus only cars were
sold in the US so far this year?????
the numbers also tell you that when you look at the brand in total....that is
Lexus.....what you see is an off shoot of Toyota still trying to establish
itself in the high end luxury market place. maybe this is to understood....maybe not??
as for starting a "flame war".....don't shoot the messenger
because you don't like the message.
heck i've owned 2 hondas, 2 acuras, 4 mitsu's, 7 toyotas....it's not like
i am anti japanese when it comes to my purchases.
another thing that strikes me as hilarious is the fact that a luxury auto company that has been around since the 1870's is looking over it's shoulder at a company or marque that has only existed for 15 years.....what does this tell us about MB??? It tells us that they (as well as some of their customers, obviously) are seriously worried......and rightfully so. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be posting over here on CL to begin with.
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Whenever someone uses statistics to prove a point it reminds me of a quote. "There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics...." There are so many ways to interprete statistics data, depending on ones bias and agendas.
Last edited by MagusFuria; Nov 10, 2003 at 01:21 PM.