View Poll Results: 6 speed or auto with stall and shift kit?
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Thinking about putting a 6 speed in my SC400
07-29-07, 02:02 PM
#46
I actually found it local from a guy that bought it off SF for a swap. I also got all the TT front brakes and spindles. Pretty much everything from clutch to rear brakes. Cost was high, I would say you are close on your range you listed above. Add in a complete TT 6 speed subframe assembly cost and I am sure you can figure it out. It came out of a 40,000 mile car. I paid market price.
08-16-07, 02:16 PM
#47
Since you're going with the 6-speed driveline, check the "notchiness" of the center bearing of the TT driveshaft you purchased. The center bearing will wear a notch in the U-joint based on the shaft angle of the DS as it was installed in the Supra. Since the sc300 wheel base in longer, you'll have to lengthen the aft portion of the shaft. If the DS has too much of a notch worn in the center bearing from previous use, then a driveshaft shop cannot balance the shaft. I know this from experience.
Here's some unsolicited advice; try to get a hold of a GX470 SUV DS. Your local Lexus dealership might have quite a few lying around. Many DSs are getting replaced even though the shafts are fine (whole other story).
The GX470 DS is a perfect option for high hp sc300/400s. It's a one-piece, telescoping DS with a companion flange that coincidentally matches the output shaft of the getrag, perfectly. The flanges are designed to bolt on-center, and that really makes a difference with a one-piece DS.
Cut the differential flange off the TT DS and get the GX shaft retubed with the TT DS differential flange. Just make sure you take accurate measurements from the tranny output shaft to the LSD flange dampener.
I've had many different DS combinations in my 6-speed sc300; the GX470 DS is by far the best solution.
-scott
Here's some unsolicited advice; try to get a hold of a GX470 SUV DS. Your local Lexus dealership might have quite a few lying around. Many DSs are getting replaced even though the shafts are fine (whole other story).
The GX470 DS is a perfect option for high hp sc300/400s. It's a one-piece, telescoping DS with a companion flange that coincidentally matches the output shaft of the getrag, perfectly. The flanges are designed to bolt on-center, and that really makes a difference with a one-piece DS.
Cut the differential flange off the TT DS and get the GX shaft retubed with the TT DS differential flange. Just make sure you take accurate measurements from the tranny output shaft to the LSD flange dampener.
I've had many different DS combinations in my 6-speed sc300; the GX470 DS is by far the best solution.
-scott
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08-28-07, 02:11 PM
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You do realize how much it costs to put a 6spd in right? Used 6spds go for $3,000-3500 ($4,800 new). + clutch + entire drivetrain including axles, driveshaft, diff etc etc Bottom line it is really expensive.
I am not trying to discourage you or put you down. I just want you to know it is very expensive and time consuming. It is also a lot of labor.
IF you were to buy it new it would be $10,597.83 SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED
The listed posted earlier is only a fraction of what is needed. Here are all the parts needed with part numbers (Note this is for an NA Supra, but most of the parts are needed for an SC too or more):
Engine drive belt tensioner assy:
http://mkiv.com/techarticles/auto_to...ension_damper/
16620-46070 tensioner list 196.17 cost 145.07
16621-46010 bracket list 40.41 cost 29.89
16622-46010 arm list 19.26 cost 14.24
16602-46010 shock absorber list 62.56 cost 46.26
91511-g0845 bolt list .91 cost .68 x 2
90901-16001 stud list 2.09 cost 1.54
90179-08171 nut list .89 cost .65 x 2
90116-08348 bolt list .83 cost .62 x 2
90080-17242 nut list 1.37 cost 1.01 x 2
parts total : 242.92
Clutch parts:
90363-12002-77 pilot bearing list 8.76 cost 6.48
96152-00500 snap ring list 2.66 cost 1.97
90903-63001 t/o bearing list 65.50 cost 48.44
90560-50001 snap ring
90560-79001 spacer list 2.31 cost 1.71
90206-12006 wave washer list 1.57 cost 1.17
90520-75001 snap ring list 2.97 cost 2.20
31264-14060 spring list 2.97 cost 2.20
31231-14050 hub list 33.38 cost 24.69
31204-14060 fork list 65.16 cost 48.18
31234-14020 spring list 1.97 cost 1.46
31236-14030 support list 31.27 cost 23.12
90119-08079 clutch cover bolts list .46 cost .33 ea x 6
90119-10054 bolt list .86 cost .64 x 2
90910-02115 flywheel bolts list 9.72 cost 7.18 ea 8
13450-0W011 flywheel list 611.96 cost 452.53
Use your own supplied clutch cover and disc. See up-grade list at the end of this post for the TRD single disc or TRD twin disc kits.
parts total : 674.85
Transmission:
33030-0w212 v160 assy new list 5478.75 cost 4774.12
31123-14020 inspection cover list 29.84 cost 22.07
31121-14030 inspection cover list 36.18 cost 26.75
90080-11228 bolt list .69 cost .50 x 4
08885-01306 v160 oil qt list 47.62 cost 35.21 x 2
Transmission comes dry shipped, no fluid.
parts total : 4895.36
Clutch Hydraulics:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...ide/index.html
31470-14060 slave cylinder list 64.61 cost 47.77
90080-10055 bolt list .89 cost .65 x 2
31410-14310 master cylinder list 99.39 cost 73.49
90179-08237 nut list .91 cost .68 x 2
31481-14260 tube list 20.52 cost 15.24
96816-50335 hose list 24.86 cost 18.47
31484-24010 bracket list 6.69 cost 4.97
31482-14060 tube list 10.89 cost 8.06
90119-06406 bolt list .69 cost .50
96991-10080 clip list 1.20 cost .89 x 2
90119-06733 bolt list .54 cost .41
90080-11231 bolt list .51 cost .38
90461-08702 clamp
79191-00502 Castrol GTX brake fluid pt. list 3.75 cost 2.50
Braded TRD clutch hose available, see up-grade list at end of post.
parts total : 176.23
Transmission mounting/driveshaft
12371-46110 trans mount list 70.56 cost 52.18
90119-08770 bolt list .89 cost .65 x 4
90179-08159 nut list .89 cost .65 x 4
90201-11013 washer list .52 cost .38 x 4
90179-11017 nut list 1.51 cost 1.12 x 4
37100-14810 driveshaft list 675.26 cost 499.33
90119-10217 bolt list 1.51 cost 1.12 x 2
90105-12265 bolt list 7.63 cost 5.65 x 3
90560-12059 spacer list 4.12 cost 3.04 x 3
90179-12128 nut list .91 cost .68 x 3
TRD trans mount available, see up grade list at end of post.
parts total: 593.06
Shifter assembly:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...spd/index.html
33504-14130 shift **** list 103.63 cost 76.63
33511-14031 control shaft list 25.15 cost 18.60
33513-22030 yoke list 7.63 cost 5.65
33530-14442 93.5-95 short throw shifter list 126.44 cost 93.49
90301-11015 o ring list 2.92 cost 2.15 x 4
33531-14010 boot list 39.44 cost 29.16
90387-08134 collar list 1.91 cost 1.41 x 2
33555-14110 boot list 31.55 cost 23.33
33555-14100 boot list 9.83 cost 7.27
33556-14050 seat list 1.54 cost 1.14
33057-14010 bracket list 44.33 cost 32.78
33570-14070 shifter tri-pod list 96.77 cost 71.56
93381-16016 bolt list .85 cost .55 x 4
90179-08095 nut list 1.14 cost .85 x 2
90105-08200 bolt list .89 cost .65 x 2
91651-60835 bolt list .26 cost .20 x 4
90105-08076 bolt list .74 cost .55
90179-08233 nut list .91 cost .68
90250-06026 pin list 1.06 cost .79
90467-21010 clip list 2.61 cost 1.93
33546-22020 bushing list 14.15 cost 10.47 ea x 2
You can use the B & M shifter in place of the stock one.
parts total : 380.98
Console parts:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...nel/index.html
58261-14010 upper trans tunnel list 78.54 cost 58.08
58994-14010 console bracket list 6.74 cost 5.01
91651-60614 bolt list .94 cost .71 x 2
58804-14060 shift bezel w/boot 93.5-96 list 140.44 cost 103.85
58804-14100 shift bezel w/boot 97-98 list 140.44 cost 103.85
58280-14080 boot/plate assy list 23.81 cost 17.60
parts total : 168.36
Brake pedal:
47101-14230 brake pedal list 49.67 cost 36.88
31321-14020 brake pedal pad list 3.23 cost 2.39
You can re-use the misc parts on the brake pedal bracket assy.
parts total: 39.27
Electronics:
83242-1u310 6spd tach list 118.75 cost 88.19
89661-14521-84 ecu 6spd obd1 93.5-96 list 1111.50 cost 913.53
{includes 100.00 core charge]
Call for obd2 ecu pricing.
If Dusty @ MVP has them available you can use the TRD 10K tach.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...hreadid=181819
parts total : 1001.72
Clutch pedal:
31311-14120 clutch pedal list 42.18 cost 31.32
90541-06036 cushion list .83 cost .62 x 2
90949-03011 spring list 1.93 cost 1.43
90386-13015 bushing list 1.37 cost 1.01 x 3
90949-03013 spring list 11.40 cost 8.47
31321-14020 pedal pad list 3.23 cost 2.39
90101-10015 bolt list 1.00 cost .74
90387-10003 collar list 4.54 cost 3.36
31353-14010 holder list 3.34 cost 2.47
90240-08006 pin list 1.71 cost 1.27
90386-08010 bushing list 5.37 cost 4.00
55107-14140 support assy list 69.76 cost 51.80
91655-60630 bolt list .60 cost .47
90119-08a22 bolt list .71 cost .53
96160-00600 e ring list .63 cost .47
94512-01000 washer list .63 cost .47
94110-51000 nut list .60 cost .47
90386-05017 bushing list 1.91 cost 1.41
90206-08001 washer list .83 cost .62
90468-16142 clip list .72 cost .53
88280-14030 switch list 16.60 cost 12.32
84520-24010 switch list 38.64 cost 28.68
94120-41000 nut list .60 cost .47
parts total : 157.96
Rear differential:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...ial/index.html
41651-14010 mount list 81.14 cost 60.00
41110-14780 6spd lsd diff *** LIST 2721.54 COST 1975.00
79191-00672 75w90 Castrol gear oil list 13.95 cost 10.15 x 2
42340-14140 lh drive axle list 393.49 cost 290.97
Diff comes dry, need to fill.
Up-grade to TRD LSD UNIT see list at end of post.
parts total : 2267.12
GRAND TOTAL:[ for those of you who don't know how to use a pocket computer or are to lazy]
242.92
674.85
4895.36
176.23
593.06
380.98
168.36
39.27
1001.72
157.96
2267.12
_______
10,597.83 SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED
I am not trying to discourage you or put you down. I just want you to know it is very expensive and time consuming. It is also a lot of labor.
IF you were to buy it new it would be $10,597.83 SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED
The listed posted earlier is only a fraction of what is needed. Here are all the parts needed with part numbers (Note this is for an NA Supra, but most of the parts are needed for an SC too or more):
Engine drive belt tensioner assy:
http://mkiv.com/techarticles/auto_to...ension_damper/
16620-46070 tensioner list 196.17 cost 145.07
16621-46010 bracket list 40.41 cost 29.89
16622-46010 arm list 19.26 cost 14.24
16602-46010 shock absorber list 62.56 cost 46.26
91511-g0845 bolt list .91 cost .68 x 2
90901-16001 stud list 2.09 cost 1.54
90179-08171 nut list .89 cost .65 x 2
90116-08348 bolt list .83 cost .62 x 2
90080-17242 nut list 1.37 cost 1.01 x 2
parts total : 242.92
Clutch parts:
90363-12002-77 pilot bearing list 8.76 cost 6.48
96152-00500 snap ring list 2.66 cost 1.97
90903-63001 t/o bearing list 65.50 cost 48.44
90560-50001 snap ring
90560-79001 spacer list 2.31 cost 1.71
90206-12006 wave washer list 1.57 cost 1.17
90520-75001 snap ring list 2.97 cost 2.20
31264-14060 spring list 2.97 cost 2.20
31231-14050 hub list 33.38 cost 24.69
31204-14060 fork list 65.16 cost 48.18
31234-14020 spring list 1.97 cost 1.46
31236-14030 support list 31.27 cost 23.12
90119-08079 clutch cover bolts list .46 cost .33 ea x 6
90119-10054 bolt list .86 cost .64 x 2
90910-02115 flywheel bolts list 9.72 cost 7.18 ea 8
13450-0W011 flywheel list 611.96 cost 452.53
Use your own supplied clutch cover and disc. See up-grade list at the end of this post for the TRD single disc or TRD twin disc kits.
parts total : 674.85
Transmission:
33030-0w212 v160 assy new list 5478.75 cost 4774.12
31123-14020 inspection cover list 29.84 cost 22.07
31121-14030 inspection cover list 36.18 cost 26.75
90080-11228 bolt list .69 cost .50 x 4
08885-01306 v160 oil qt list 47.62 cost 35.21 x 2
Transmission comes dry shipped, no fluid.
parts total : 4895.36
Clutch Hydraulics:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...ide/index.html
31470-14060 slave cylinder list 64.61 cost 47.77
90080-10055 bolt list .89 cost .65 x 2
31410-14310 master cylinder list 99.39 cost 73.49
90179-08237 nut list .91 cost .68 x 2
31481-14260 tube list 20.52 cost 15.24
96816-50335 hose list 24.86 cost 18.47
31484-24010 bracket list 6.69 cost 4.97
31482-14060 tube list 10.89 cost 8.06
90119-06406 bolt list .69 cost .50
96991-10080 clip list 1.20 cost .89 x 2
90119-06733 bolt list .54 cost .41
90080-11231 bolt list .51 cost .38
90461-08702 clamp
79191-00502 Castrol GTX brake fluid pt. list 3.75 cost 2.50
Braded TRD clutch hose available, see up-grade list at end of post.
parts total : 176.23
Transmission mounting/driveshaft
12371-46110 trans mount list 70.56 cost 52.18
90119-08770 bolt list .89 cost .65 x 4
90179-08159 nut list .89 cost .65 x 4
90201-11013 washer list .52 cost .38 x 4
90179-11017 nut list 1.51 cost 1.12 x 4
37100-14810 driveshaft list 675.26 cost 499.33
90119-10217 bolt list 1.51 cost 1.12 x 2
90105-12265 bolt list 7.63 cost 5.65 x 3
90560-12059 spacer list 4.12 cost 3.04 x 3
90179-12128 nut list .91 cost .68 x 3
TRD trans mount available, see up grade list at end of post.
parts total: 593.06
Shifter assembly:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...spd/index.html
33504-14130 shift **** list 103.63 cost 76.63
33511-14031 control shaft list 25.15 cost 18.60
33513-22030 yoke list 7.63 cost 5.65
33530-14442 93.5-95 short throw shifter list 126.44 cost 93.49
90301-11015 o ring list 2.92 cost 2.15 x 4
33531-14010 boot list 39.44 cost 29.16
90387-08134 collar list 1.91 cost 1.41 x 2
33555-14110 boot list 31.55 cost 23.33
33555-14100 boot list 9.83 cost 7.27
33556-14050 seat list 1.54 cost 1.14
33057-14010 bracket list 44.33 cost 32.78
33570-14070 shifter tri-pod list 96.77 cost 71.56
93381-16016 bolt list .85 cost .55 x 4
90179-08095 nut list 1.14 cost .85 x 2
90105-08200 bolt list .89 cost .65 x 2
91651-60835 bolt list .26 cost .20 x 4
90105-08076 bolt list .74 cost .55
90179-08233 nut list .91 cost .68
90250-06026 pin list 1.06 cost .79
90467-21010 clip list 2.61 cost 1.93
33546-22020 bushing list 14.15 cost 10.47 ea x 2
You can use the B & M shifter in place of the stock one.
parts total : 380.98
Console parts:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...nel/index.html
58261-14010 upper trans tunnel list 78.54 cost 58.08
58994-14010 console bracket list 6.74 cost 5.01
91651-60614 bolt list .94 cost .71 x 2
58804-14060 shift bezel w/boot 93.5-96 list 140.44 cost 103.85
58804-14100 shift bezel w/boot 97-98 list 140.44 cost 103.85
58280-14080 boot/plate assy list 23.81 cost 17.60
parts total : 168.36
Brake pedal:
47101-14230 brake pedal list 49.67 cost 36.88
31321-14020 brake pedal pad list 3.23 cost 2.39
You can re-use the misc parts on the brake pedal bracket assy.
parts total: 39.27
Electronics:
83242-1u310 6spd tach list 118.75 cost 88.19
89661-14521-84 ecu 6spd obd1 93.5-96 list 1111.50 cost 913.53
{includes 100.00 core charge]
Call for obd2 ecu pricing.
If Dusty @ MVP has them available you can use the TRD 10K tach.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...hreadid=181819
parts total : 1001.72
Clutch pedal:
31311-14120 clutch pedal list 42.18 cost 31.32
90541-06036 cushion list .83 cost .62 x 2
90949-03011 spring list 1.93 cost 1.43
90386-13015 bushing list 1.37 cost 1.01 x 3
90949-03013 spring list 11.40 cost 8.47
31321-14020 pedal pad list 3.23 cost 2.39
90101-10015 bolt list 1.00 cost .74
90387-10003 collar list 4.54 cost 3.36
31353-14010 holder list 3.34 cost 2.47
90240-08006 pin list 1.71 cost 1.27
90386-08010 bushing list 5.37 cost 4.00
55107-14140 support assy list 69.76 cost 51.80
91655-60630 bolt list .60 cost .47
90119-08a22 bolt list .71 cost .53
96160-00600 e ring list .63 cost .47
94512-01000 washer list .63 cost .47
94110-51000 nut list .60 cost .47
90386-05017 bushing list 1.91 cost 1.41
90206-08001 washer list .83 cost .62
90468-16142 clip list .72 cost .53
88280-14030 switch list 16.60 cost 12.32
84520-24010 switch list 38.64 cost 28.68
94120-41000 nut list .60 cost .47
parts total : 157.96
Rear differential:
http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/aut...ial/index.html
41651-14010 mount list 81.14 cost 60.00
41110-14780 6spd lsd diff *** LIST 2721.54 COST 1975.00
79191-00672 75w90 Castrol gear oil list 13.95 cost 10.15 x 2
42340-14140 lh drive axle list 393.49 cost 290.97
Diff comes dry, need to fill.
Up-grade to TRD LSD UNIT see list at end of post.
parts total : 2267.12
GRAND TOTAL:[ for those of you who don't know how to use a pocket computer or are to lazy]
242.92
674.85
4895.36
176.23
593.06
380.98
168.36
39.27
1001.72
157.96
2267.12
_______
10,597.83 SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED
There are alot of misc parts that I'm sure you can save money on with a little deal hunting. If you want to just walk into a random Toyota dealer with a list of parts and walk out in a week with all your parts than maybe this list is right. Scott is right tho, the adapter plate and clutch arent cheap and need to be factored in.
Its ignorant to think a V160 swap will be a budget minded cake walk, but I doubt its as bad as listed above. Can we get some 6spd converts to chime in?
08-28-07, 03:01 PM
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I did the complete conversion (tranny, misc parts, cross member, single disk clutch, DS, 6-speed diff, and right side rear axle) for about $5k. All parts were used except for the flywheel, pressure plate, and clutch disk.
-scott
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08-28-07, 04:26 PM
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Did you have a manual before or was it an auto to 6spd conv.?
Is that price including labor?
08-29-07, 07:50 AM
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08-29-07, 05:14 PM
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The 6spd swap on the UZ will have to include an adapter plate among other things to allow for the swap to happen.
$5k is definitely too low for the UZ swap. $10+k is probably too high. My intuition says it is somewhere in the middle.
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Yes it costs a bunch of $$$$$$$$! I am waiting on one last part to arrive and its show time. This where the rubber hits the road. I should be shifting gears by the end of September. Can't wait!
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Clutch Pedal Assembly Parts
$5.60 Bush 90386-08010
$1.77 Pin, w/hole 90240-08006
$0.89 Cushion 90514-06036
$4.74 Collar 90387-10003
$2.11 Bolt 91121-51060
$1.43 Bush 90386-13015
$8.12 Seat, Clutch Pedal 31355-20030
$0.80 Ring, E 96160-00800
$0.89 Washer, Plate 90201-20015
$2.00 Pin 90249-10127
$9.63 Seat, Clutch Pedal 31354-20030
$9.01 Spring, Compressing 90501-55007
$81.98 Support Sub-Assembly 55107-24040
$1.43 Bush 90386-10019
$0.89 Washer, Wave 90206-08001
$0.83 Clip 90468-16142
$0.66 Washer, Spring 94512-01000
$0.63 Nut 94110-51000
$0.77 Bolt, w/washer 90119-08A22
$0.66 Bolt, w/washer 91665-60630
$17.38 Clutch Switch Assembly 88280-14030
$61.52 Clutch Switch Assembly 84520-24010
$140 SC300 Clutch Master Cylinder 31410-14310
$80.81 SC300 Brake Pedal 47101-24060
$76.66 SC300 Clutch Pedal 31301-24050
$6.45 SC300 Pedal Pads x2 31321-14020
hope that helps!
(damn spacing wont do what i want to try and put the part numbers in a neat column, sorry it looks like a mess)
What I'm wondering is how much of these parts are needed for the swap if it's going in an SC300 (not the SC400), if the SC already has a 5spd in it? I would think most of that stuff would be eliminated. The reason I ask is because I have an SC300 w/5spd in it, and bought the Getrag, Auto TT diff, a triple disc Carbonetic clutch, which converts the clutch from pull to push type, so it comes with the flywheel bolts, slave cylinder, fork, etc. Basically, I'm wondering how much of this list applies to the SC3 w/ W58?
04-16-08, 09:32 AM
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What I'm wondering is how much of these parts are needed for the swap if it's going in an SC300 (not the SC400), if the SC already has a 5spd in it? I would think most of that stuff would be eliminated. The reason I ask is because I have an SC300 w/5spd in it, and bought the Getrag, Auto TT diff, a triple disc Carbonetic clutch, which converts the clutch from pull to push type, so it comes with the flywheel bolts, slave cylinder, fork, etc. Basically, I'm wondering how much of this list applies to the SC3 w/ W58?
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