LS400 front calipers on ES300?
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How does the weight of the LS have ANYTHING to do with the question posted here?
Big brake kits are nothing new....you could fit a 8 piston caliper on a Mini cooper if you had the money and resources..... which would be a caliper twice the size of an LS400 caliper on a car that probably weight a third of the LS.....
Has nothing to do with weight.
But this is a nice question, I wouldn't mind running the LS bbk on my 01 ES3 if it was possible, you would for sure need to fabricate custom brackets and install wheels that clear the calipers.
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What are you talking about man?
How does the weight of the LS have ANYTHING to do with the question posted here?
Big brake kits are nothing new....you could fit a 8 piston caliper on a Mini cooper if you had the money and resources..... which would be a caliper twice the size of an LS400 caliper on a car that probably weight a third of the LS.....
Has nothing to do with weight.
But this is a nice question, I wouldn't mind running the LS bbk on my 01 ES3 if it was possible, you would for sure need to fabricate custom brackets and install wheels that clear the calipers.
How does the weight of the LS have ANYTHING to do with the question posted here?
Big brake kits are nothing new....you could fit a 8 piston caliper on a Mini cooper if you had the money and resources..... which would be a caliper twice the size of an LS400 caliper on a car that probably weight a third of the LS.....
Has nothing to do with weight.
But this is a nice question, I wouldn't mind running the LS bbk on my 01 ES3 if it was possible, you would for sure need to fabricate custom brackets and install wheels that clear the calipers.
Another example is the ABS system. The ABS system is calibrated differently for each of these individual cars. The calibration assumes that the car has its originally specified (or an equivalent aftermarket) braking system. The same comment applies to the calibration of the rear/front break proportioning valve,
There are several other examples that I can point out, but suffice it to say that trying to adapt callipers from a different car, could adversely effect a cars braking characteristics, especially during an emergency breaking situation.
Last edited by PFB; 02-01-11 at 07:54 PM.
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I know of people that have put LS400 parts on a Camry and the system worked great, it's not a problem at all.
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Are you sure about that? All the ABS is there to do is prevent wheel lock, it does that by modulating pressure to the calipers. The only way changing to a different caliper would cause problems with the system is if the caliper required more pressure to activate properly than the system could provide, which I don't see happening. It's not like you are putting a radically larger caliper onto the car. I bet the ABS software between the models is essentially the same.
I know of people that have put LS400 parts on a Camry and the system worked great, it's not a problem at all.
I know of people that have put LS400 parts on a Camry and the system worked great, it's not a problem at all.
Thanks,
Phil
#11
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I'm just wondering if upgrading the calipers would actually stop the car in a significantly shorter distance. The brakes can already bring the tires easily to the limits of adhesion and the ABS activates aggressively (I know I did a panic stop on dry pavement a few months back). If you put uber brakes on your car, you're going to need tires with better grip or the extra grabbing power will do nothing for you.
So unless you drive hard and fast all the time, I don't see the point. But it's an interesting project just the same.
So unless you drive hard and fast all the time, I don't see the point. But it's an interesting project just the same.
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I look at it this way, Lexus tested the components and they work as intended. You start mixing and matching parts and your daily drive has become your own little proving ground. Will you have problems? Probably not, but long term you might end up with unexpected consequences.
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i just yanked a set of 96 LS400 calipers today, and i have a 93 ES300. What i know for a fact is, the LS400 calipers were only a cooter hair from hitting the inside of the factory 16"s on the LS. Unless the ES rotor is drastically smaller, you would definitely need larger diameter wheel to clear. if these dont sell by the weekend, i may pull a tire and check it out.
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You can't mount either the LS or Supra calipers tot he ES/Camry, as the offset of the caliper bracket bolts do not allow for an adapter brackett o be made. There IS a cheap (but good) BBK to run the stock caliper (best to use the 94-96 Twin Piston) with a supra TT Rotor. Let me tell you, I have a car guy with an SL550 a ride, and slammed the brakes at 80, and I'm pretty sure I could outbrake his car by the reaction he gave, lol.
I'll post pictures later. I'm at work and photobucket is blocked.
I'll post pictures later. I'm at work and photobucket is blocked.