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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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Hi guys I need your help. I'm sure by now most of you guys have seen the Hella Flush thread I posted a little bit ago but if not the specs on the tires are

18x9+25 - 225/40
18x10+25 - 235/40

The tires that I have on these right now are the Falken 452's. My problem right now is that the tires have been rubbing more than I had anticipated and it has caused the paint on the passenger side fender to bubble up. My alignment is messed up as of right now due to us dialing in about 3 degrees of camber. I'm going to take it in for an alignment next Friday and have them correct the toe and have them max out the camber also and hopefully that will help with the situation. As of right now I have 3 options:

1. Switch to 215/40 on the 9" and 225/40 on the 10".
2. Order my suspension pieces which will allow me to dial in more degree's of negative camber but the pieces won't arrive for another 2-3 months if I do that so this really isn't an option.
3. Pull fenders.

As of right now only option #1 is feasible because it is the quick fix solution. I would like to avoid having my fenders pulled at all costs. My question to you guys is what tire would you recommend for the best stretch because these 452's just aren't cutting it. I don't want for there to be that weird step to be there or anything. Any other advice that you guys can give me? Thanks a bunch!

Here are some pictures of the damage..



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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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Seems like you answered your own question. You're gonna need more stretch
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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sorry for your paint damage....its too bad..

it doesnt look like your low enough to be cambering -3.

have you rolled your fenders completley???

or cut em. either way, i think the stretch is enough. try going a little lower...it will camber on its own and probably stop rubbing...unless your on springs.

if you wanna know, pirelli has a mean,mean strecth.

but I say lower a tad more....and PULL....dont be afraid of a slight pull.
I'm not talking about changing the whole characteristic of the fender....heck, with the type of pull I'm talking aout, you wont notice the diffrence in look.....just gives clearance.
check here for pull reference
http://vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4684
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 10:21 PM
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Sorry I guess what my question really is what tire out there would give me the best stretch. The -3 degrees of camber is just eyeballing it. We maxed out the stock arm and I'm actually really low on the coilovers already. Any lower and my kit will fall off lol. The reason why I don't want to pull my fenders is because I'm afraid that it will change the overall look of the fender and I am just looking for a temporary solution. I'm planning on changing the suspension out in the near future and possibly doing air so I don't want to touch the body of the car.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:13 AM
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Get some even "stretchier" tires for now. Solo doesn't have this problem does he? Or does his fender flares allow for more tire/wheel clearance?
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:14 AM
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Sorry to hear about paint bubble copycat. If you can find a pair of Falken ST-115's (discontinued), they'll give you a better stretch than the 452's. Worse comes to worse, just raise the car up to 4x4 mode until you figure out a solution.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeper408
Get some even "stretchier" tires for now. Solo doesn't have this problem does he? Or does his fender flares allow for more tire/wheel clearance?
Solo has much more clearance with his flares and I think his Toyo's have less of a stretch than the 452's. I'm trying to find out what tires will give me the most clearance.

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Sorry to hear about paint bubble copycat. If you can find a pair of Falken ST-115's (discontinued), they'll give you a better stretch than the 452's. Worse comes to worse, just raise the car up to 4x4 mode until you figure out a solution.
We're raising the car on Tuesday.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Here's a thought.....

You can shave 3mm off the back off the wheel and 3mm off the top of the rotors to give you 6mm more room to push your wheels in.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by V8_Aristo
Here's a thought.....

You can shave 3mm off the back off the wheel and 3mm off the top of the rotors to give you 6mm more room to push your wheels in.
this is a good idea .. and if you do t shave .. just raise it a little for the time being
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by V8_Aristo
Here's a thought.....

You can shave 3mm off the back off the wheel and 3mm off the top of the rotors to give you 6mm more room to push your wheels in.

do you mean shaving the wheels hub itself? will this be safe?

this sounds like a good idea. more lip!
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ShaneC
do you mean shaving the wheels hub itself? will this be safe?

this sounds like a good idea. more lip!
Not the hub, but the surface area of the rotors that lays flat between the wheel and the hub.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 01:39 AM
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Oh man.... that would be some hardcore stuff. You VIP people are crazy!
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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stupid question (go ahead and smack me):
how did rubbing create bubbles in the paint?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by V8_Aristo
Here's a thought.....

You can shave 3mm off the back off the wheel and 3mm off the top of the rotors to give you 6mm more room to push your wheels in.
That sounds like a good idea but I want something a less extreme than that. I'm going to just go with a smaller tire on and raise it a little in the rear and hope that that does the trick for the time being.

Originally Posted by 4ntvings
stupid question (go ahead and smack me):
how did rubbing create bubbles in the paint?
Rubbing causes the metal to heat up and when the metal heats up the paint starts to bubble.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 10:28 AM
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Easiest - Pull fenders. (>20 mins per side)

I don't see how shaving the rotors is extreme, just involves a lil more labor.

Your choice though...
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